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Schnitz


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Turns out the car I bought has no rear brakes at all. Didn't think to take wheels off to check. Figured the seller wouldn't be a dick and tell me.

Either way, I can buy all the rear drum parts for $375 or do I just find a rear end from the wrecking yard and swap it in complete, maybe even with discs?



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Well it might help to know what kind of car and rear end to give an appropriate response to your question

Thanks for posting



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Schnitz


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It's a 1946 Pontiac with a mid 70's GMC rear end.


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Did you check with the seller to see if he may have the stuff

kicking around???



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Schnitz


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No. I bought it 6 months ago and am just getting started on it. Don't even have his number any more.

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you should be able to buy all the parts you need for less than that..what parts egsactly ..you need 2 whee-lcyls.$30, hold-down kit, $20, shoes $40,00 drums maybe $50 ea..I am looking less than $200..what else are you missing..possible you may need a part or two for the e-brake assembly ..but what else are you missing..put a list up and will give you great prices ..I have some good connections for a brother rodder.. post the parts and I will what I can get for a price for you..



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Don't bother with the drums, convert it to disc. Easy swap...90's Impala, Caprice, Camaro or Firebird caliper brackets bolt on...don't forget to get the proportioning valve also. Can get adj valves for $100 at summit or jegs. Swap works with any 70's up GM 10 or 12 bolt. Lots of stuff interchanges. Astro AWD rotors, Eldorado, truck front calipers if you dont care about e-brakes....



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I'm at that stage of gathering all the drum stuff for my 58. One thing that was pointed out to me was, DO NOT BUY CHINESE DRUMS....

 

 

I was told by a bunch of the 58-62 group of guys to only get North American drums when ever possible.



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Gearhead said

if you dont care about e-brakes....

 

You better care about e-brakes if you need to get it certified.. e-brakes are required by the law in this province

And there is nothing wrong with drum brakes they work just fine ..about 75% of the braking is done with the front brakes..I say save your money ..

and I know 58 Chevy Frank is a good guy but I have used Chineese drums for 15 years, lots of them 20 to 30 sets a year and I have only had two drums that caused me grief with balance becuse they did not balance the drums properly..and if the truth be known just becuase they come in a Delco, mopar, motocraft,Napa,carstar  box does not mean they are NOT Chineese ..just sayin..



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Schnitz


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I need shoes, drum, spring, cylinder, adjusting screw and lever, actuating link, strut and anything else I can't think of for each side.
The bloody thing was bare behind the wheel.

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I will see if I can get a price for each axel..

 

But a little thing that for some reason not enough rodders seem to take advantage of is Rock Auto..you need to Bing Rock Auto..they give car parts away ..check them out and price all the brakes stuff you might be surprized ..how little it cost to get all new stuff and be safe..

 

just Bing-Rockauto



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$360 from speedway complete

rotors hats callipersimage.jpg pads bolts

 



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Schnitz


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Is that $360 per side?
I can't find that on Speedways website.



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Schnitz wrote:

Is that $360 per side?
I can't find that on Speedways website.



-- Edited by Schnitz on Friday 25th of April 2014 09:08:26 PM

 I don't think they have a full kit unless it's a pre '73 axle. Truck and car axles are different. You have 5 on 5" bolt centres?



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If you got some time you could check out the u pulls here are some prices from kenny in hamilton

  • Brake Emergency Cable W/Pedal or Handle
  • 8.99
  • Rear End (Disc Brake Type Complete)
  • 89.99
  • Rear End W/Drums
  • 99.99


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Shop_Rat


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Schnitz wrote:

I need shoes, drum, spring, cylinder, adjusting screw and lever, actuating link, strut and anything else I can't think of for each side.
The bloody thing was bare behind the wheel.

 You are gonna spend almost as much on that drum set up as converting to impala discs. Like I said, you only need to scavenge the mounting brackets from a wrecker and get the rest at your local parts house. Minor fittings to add flex lines...no biggie.

And yes, they DO come with E brakes unlike the archaic, last century thoughts from some.

Factor shipping and import costs on your internet order...Your best dollar value is to use locals.  

You still have to do the same amount of work and there is no waiting. Tons of Ex-cruisers & Taxis to cough up those $20 brackets 

 



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Speedway part 910-31933

$339.00 complete

Fits 4.5. 4.75. 5. On 5

This is the kit i use on all my builds

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Speedway part 910-31933

$339.00 complete

Fits 4.5. 4.75. 5. On 5

This is the kit i use on all my builds

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Shop_Rat


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Not bad but still $425-450 range by the time you get to your door. (Exchange, freight, brokerage fees).

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You forgot

ALL NEW



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Shop_Rat


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No I didn't.
I was referring to only buying the mounting brackets from the boneyard. They could easily be made of 1/4 or 3/8 plate but for the sake of a couple used parts, why bother. The rest is new from your local parts jobber. Who puts used brakes on a car??

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Your right how silly of me to think anything but your

Answer would be right for him

Good post

Good research

Keep up the good work

disregard my posts

Sant ...... Er .... Shop rat is right

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Shop_Rat


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I don't have time for fragile egos or people who cannot do basic math... I never said there's anything wrong with your suggestion. I'm just saying that there are cheaper options. any time you need to do the brakes you have to place another order



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Schnitz


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Thanks for all the advice guys. I love this forum. I'll keep you posted on my progress.

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Schnitz wrote:

It's a 1946 Pontiac with a mid 70's GMC rear end.

is it a truck 12 bolt? i have a 78 gmc jimmy rearend in my 55. with the huge rear drums it was a huge improvement over the original 11 x 1 1/2" drums. everything new from napa wasn't that expensive including drums.



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http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/x,carcode,1039878,pgname,Brake%252FWheel%2BHub

 

check it out ..you guys are not appreciating new parts at some of the best pricing you will find..the only hassell is make sure you double check what you order they are mindreaders and they do not know what your working on so make sure you screen your own order ..you can't beat their prices, and delivered right to your door no surprises or money when they are delivered right to your door..try it . don't be scared..



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Yeah Rock has some good pricing, I just wish their website was a little easier to navigate. It is not set up very well. I do like the choice of shipping methods.

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Shop_Rat wrote:

Yeah Rock has some good pricing, I just wish their website was a little easier to navigate. It is not set up very well. I do like the choice of shipping methods.

 Year make and model then the name of the part your looking for . Confuses me every time. Thanks for pointing that out



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you may have a hard time finding some of the rear brake parts, I had to do some digging to find a buddy of mine the rear brake parts for a 70's chev truck he was doing as they were no longer available.  a newer diff or disc brake conversion may be your only option



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slim wrote:
Shop_Rat wrote:

Yeah Rock has some good pricing, I just wish their website was a little easier to navigate. It is not set up very well. I do like the choice of shipping methods.

 Year make and model then the name of the part your looking for . Confuses me every time. Thanks for pointing that out

 Maybe it's because not all the parts have a picture of them next to the description. biggrin



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Shop_Rat wrote:

Yeah Rock has some good pricing, I just wish their website was a little easier to navigate. It is not set up very well. I do like the choice of shipping methods.

 Shouldn't be too tricky for a true "Gearhead"!....but if you really get stuck, ask Santa - he knows everything!winkwink



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fatchuk wrote:

http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/x,carcode,1039878,pgname,Brake%252FWheel%2BHub

 

check it out ..you guys are not appreciating new parts at some of the best pricing you will find..the only hassell is make sure you double check what you order they are mindreaders and they do not know what your working on so make sure you screen your own order ..you can't beat their prices, and delivered right to your door no surprises or money when they are delivered right to your door..try it . don't be scared..

you are absolutely right on rock auto

 



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Some people sure squawk without knowing what they are talking about!

The speedway kit is new. Easy to install. Complete. And uses common Gm parts

And fits multiple applications with common gm parts

So you dont have to ORDER PARTS FROM THE STATES

Some people dont want to go and lay in crap and grease at a scrap yard

Not that there is anything wrong with that

I would be wary of KNOW IT ALLS that hide who they are

And wont post anything they have built

I have built many cars Shintz and tried both cobbled parts and off the shelf

This is the easiest set up yes it costs a few bucks

But works great and easy to install

Your welcome to come by my shop to take a look at the

Installation and see if it works for you

Chucks source is good also. Cheap enough if you know what you have and want to restore

To stock

I dont hide who i am or what i build

Just sayin

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now hat, some people cant peel off the hundreds and buy these items, I was once there, no money for anything but I still built stuff on a tight budget.  it is the way to go if you can afford it though, nothing like 4 wheel disc brakes, or 13 by 3 inch shoes like on my jeep, it stops pretty aggressive



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Go figure already taken... back to the drawing board...



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