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With the dragster now running and pretty well ready for Picton I am back working on another project I have here. A VW Gasser. A friend who was building one switched bodies about 1/2 way thru deciding to go with a 68 beetle and 383 Chev power. He gave me the old body he had started mostly because of my heritage I think. And so I started building a gasser. I have lots of slant 6 race stuff so it gets the nod. I built a chassis from 2X3 .120 wall. I used a twin I beam 68 Ford axle and turned it into a solid I beam. Front suspension is my classic 1/4 eliphtic below and a short upper link with heim joints. Snowmobile shocks make it all stable. Rear end is from a 75 Duster. I installed ladder bars and triangulated from the diffs snubber bolt holes to each ladder bar mid point. HD heim joints at all ladder bar joints. Springs were made from old CTC helper coils after I calculated the sprung weight. Shocks are similar to the front ends. No big rush. This is something to work on purely for the fun of it. Engine set back is 10% as per old gasser rules. Today I started mounting the steering box.

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There is actually one of those that races up here Don. Its a newer one but is a wolf in sheeps clothing.
Sasquatch or fast chevy would probably know more about it and the owner then I.



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Cool, They are a reasonable alternative "coupe" body. I am now surprised there are not more.

I have written on the side already "Das Auto"

And since Walter Chrylser's grandpa was known as Herr Kreisler before the family came to North America all should be well with the slant six in the hole.

It is kinda of a fun build even if this body is real tuff. 41 Willys are few and far between so I this will have to do.

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Carl, how sweet of you to put your wife in your avatar!

 

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Nein, Ich bin das mensch. Nope I am that man.(Dolmetsch)

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It is however the only bug with a bench seat. I used one from a school bus. fits the VW body perfectly.



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i ll take the DODGE

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Cool stuff Don....you da "mensch!"

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56loser wrote:

i ll take the DODGE


 The Dodge is a real fun car. Perhaps too much fun. Someday I will sell it but it will cause the prospective buyer to wince I hope.

I had a post 63 in the 70s but put a street hemi in it reworked for racing and ran it at Cayuga a lot. Big grey car. It would pull over 120 in the 1/4 which was at least respectable back then.

It always bothered me that a hemi didn't belong in a 63 so I was always looking for a 426 MW. In between I became well experienced on BB mopars eventually writing the book Old Reliable which is still selling giving the stuff no one tells you on how to build a strong bracket car and specifically a very strong but not expensive 440 bracket motor. I stumbled on to a set of StgeII MW heads while buying a used Van Norman  surface grinder for my machine shop and bought them. In 1999 Harry Wilson found a 426 marine wedge bare block at a NOS marine parts place. He bought it for me. I did the conversion to Stge III MAX wedge in my machine shop. (two valve notches at the top of the bore) Mazolini sold me some forged 11 to 1 426 pistons from a batch he had custom made by JE. . Using 440 bottom end parts (Better rods, crank same dimensions) I put a good 426 Stg III block together. I repaired a the heads and even had the weak spot repaired at united welding in both so they would never crack. I switched out the solid set up for HD hydraulics. (More power at same lift and duration if below 7000 RPM) I had one of my custom cams ground for it and put it together. In Florida I bought a very rare Nascar single 4BBl REV 2 max wedge manifold (ouch$$$)and reworked a 850 holly for it. Lupo Dynamic kindly supplied me with a  nice 3800 converter and I found a set of 391 for $20 in the back of an engine customers pickup. I bought the car from the Easy Cruisesr in Alexandria Ontario. It took me two trys to get it. It had sat inside for 23 years in a garage in BC with some collision damage. I got a BB pushbutton trans case from M&R racing in Brighton from their Nostagia Super stock 64 Dodge and built the trans using my 313 inners plus modified drums and valve body. Put it all together in 2000. It was my wife and my millenium project so we still call the car Mili. At first with 255 X60s and 391s it would occasionally pull the wheels on the street. My wife would go nuts screaming as there is no steering when the front wheels are up. So when I built the dragster I took the 391 for it and put in 355s. I also changed to a taller 275X70 rear tire. the taller tire and less gear eliminated the wheels up problem and everyone was once again happy. It will almost do it now and just once last year I did have them up getting a thumbs up from a passing driver. Skimming would probably be a  better way to say it.  It is still a rather violent ride but thanks to a good exhaust and some old age I keep a very low profile and stay out of trouble. I now just use it for going to Picton Cruise night and built a matching trailer to tow the Sr Dragster on since I only got to Picton Races now anyway. Oh Yeah It has full old school SS suspension )

Still when I am out for a cruise alone it never fails to amaze me that this kind of performance was available in 1963.  Fun car to drive. Thanks for noticing.

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Thanks for passing along your knowledge Don .Never been a mopar guy but its interesting reading all the same. 



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Great read Don, much appreciated.

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i love mopar stories i have A 1963 Plymouth Savoy 2 door post with the slant 6 and the push button i bought 5 years ago and it s been park inside my garage since .........the plan was to drop a 440 but with my health issue right now i ain t sure about what will happen .....a good friend of mine may be buying ? and finish my plans ?



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A63 Savoy post! WoW!

I suffered a severe internal injury in 1990. Eventually it made daily work almost impossible and even now is a constant pain in the butt day and night. Eventually fielding a competitive bracket car was too much even with a hired shoe so I switched to puttering mode and closed the shop. I was tempted many times to sell all and forget it but I didn't. I have learned to live with discomfort. I am glad I didn't sell all. The dragster was the result of this slower approach to life. I have to be careful but my close friends know and watch me to be sure I am ok. Ie cant take hardly any direct sunlight and have trouble walking above a snails pace. I also cant lift anything of significance. Somehow I now think it has been good for me.  It has caused me to slow down and sniff the roses. Have now done more seen more then before when I had good health.  If it is possible in your circumstances resist the urge. Maybe you issues don't allow that. If that is so please forgive me. I could probably now not pull an engine  or lift a trans but I can still screw a mean one together and still build a killer trans. If I am stuck my friends or brother will give me a hand on their schedule of course. I work  in the shop only 2 to 3 hours per week day. After lunch there is often a nap in the lazyboy. Puttering out there takes my mind off my troubles. I also learned about adjusting to a retired mode. When you realize you can no longer fight all day long and that will happen to us all eventually you need to find a doable alternative that still feeds ones creative juices. I did. My wife tells people when I am working in the shop that "don is doing his knitting." Your Savoy is a real treasure. I hope you get to enjoy it somehow and in the meantime wish you all the best.

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i know they are hard to find ...if i do let it go it won t be too far from my house and i know i ll let me drive .......



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Between adventures I have been working a mounting bracket for the steering box in the VW. As of tonight I have it welded in place and the steering box loosely attached. Looks good. Box is a 56 Ford I believe. How did I choose it? It was offered to me free.

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PS if you look at the photo of the bug above you will see a set of Ford turbine wheels stacked there. One had a chunk out of it. Not in a critical area but a chunk just the same. Over the years I learned to arc weld aluminum with pretty good success. An old friend I used to supply race engines for had an original Stge 6 mopar head that had gotten broken in a engine disintegration however they were very good heads so he after having several other gurus mess around with tigs and such ask if I would arc weld it for him as I used to do it for him before back when I did all his bullets. He bought me the special rod and arrived with it today. It goes on ugly but when ground is sometimes impossible to find from the parent metal. I did the initial welds on his head down thru the ex port , up across the seat pocket and across one combustion chamber into the spark plug hole. He will have to grind it all, re check and we will do what we have to till it is as good as new. Meanwhile I used the rod he supplied and welded up the rim. After hand tooling it you would be hard pressed to find the weld. These rims are going on the rear with the slicks. Why? They fit and were free. That is why.

I also fabricated a passive supercharger infuser mixer diffuser from exhaust tubing shorts. The passive supercharger is something GM was playing around with about 1962 to supply passing power momentarily in an otherwise non performance vehicle. I had read about it in my misspent youth. (I was 12 years old at the time) I mentioned it in a post some four years ago and last week a fellow from NB Canada hunted me down by phone saying he was going thru some old magazines and stumbled on that article by Roger Huntington. He had his son email me the whole deal. Using "paint" I got a pixel count from the pictures , established an arbitrary dimension in inches for the mixer tube and developed all the other dimensions from that as they are easy to figure using percentage. If it works I have a /6 here with only 30000 km on it so it will go in the bug with the passive supercharger. Supposed to give approx. 40% increase in power for up to 15 seconds (4 PSI boost). We will see. Seems too simple to work but I never found Roger Huntington to be anything but right on so I will give it a shot.



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Some of us are already in the stage you speak of, and the rest will all be there at that point also, just a matter of time, and a natural occurance.
Good post Don, one just has to readjust, and work smarter as the saying goes.

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Steering box is now installed, pitman arm reworked (shortened and recentred by removing 1/2 the teeth) It is hard not to work on it as it is so handy and still interests me.
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My friend Mike gave me a set of dump found aluminum wheels. They are the finned ones that came on a 70s T bird for instance. They were blistered and ruf looking but I needed something to mount the slicks on during the build. I took the three teats off with a cut-off wheel and ground them flush. I went to CTC and bought a new flap wheel . I installed it and ten minutes per wheel

later all signs of aging were gone. I sprayed them with the VHT satin tire.jpg silver I had left over from the Slant six tunnel ram/ header project. Results were unbelievable. Inspired I drilled them for the slick tubes and installed the slicks. I couldn't stop there. The car is now sitting one them. Such a deal!

 

 



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It gets better. Tonight I had a visit from the VW Whisperer, Aaron Christopher. The one piece I did not have for this car was a hood. hody.jpgAaron found me one and was kind enough to deliver it. Very interesting young man to say the least.
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This is just the beginning. It will need sanding and filling however I whipped this hood retainer pin and nut in the shape of a wind up key just to see how it would work. It does  so it is a go. This will keep the hood from flying open. Now I just need to clip it up top. Every VW should have a windup key somewhere.   

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LMAO  sitting here trying to figure out what I was looking at . Even went to get my glasses and a coffee , then it dawned on me maybe READ .   Good one Don .



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  1. I remember seeing VWs running around with giant winders mounted on the back hood.Some even on the roof. There used to be lots of wild boltons for those cars.  Ed


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Looks good Don, good addition.

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a few years ago I made a flow plate for an eddy carb. I made it out of resin and ran it for several years on my rail. I found one of the originals the other day and since the lawn is mowed , the windup key done and painted and I am a bit bored I am thinking today would be a good day to mix up some molding sand and pour a few aluminum ones.
We will see what happens. Foundry is ready to go. Just need to steal the tank from the BBQ
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Yesterday I worked on the hood. It didn't fit well on one side as it was from a repaired wreck and was perhps repaired to fit the wreck. I had to slice it on the edge half way up on the pass side. I installed it and forced it down then tacked the gap with the mig. I removed it and welded it completely , ground it and gave the repaired spot a layer of kity hair , they gave that a rough finish. It fits much better now, perhaps s good as new. I made a couple of straight strips that go under the top ledge and will keep the hood on the car at the top while the windup key fastens it at the bottom. Car looks much better now. I may go ahead and finish the front of the car at least to the point of the final body work. Today I made the steering wheel adapter and drilled and tapped it and installed the wheel.
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Good on ya Don. You were busy.

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Got more done today. Worked on the mating of the lower front fenders with the new middle body section. Despite the fact you can't tell from the pic they are bolted together and come apart. they will have the normal fender welting. right now I am doing the ruf body work as in REPAIRS. One everything if repaired and fitted then I will do the body work and paint. People in general like this car for some reason. Even non hot car folks who have seen keep asking about it.
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Looks good Don . Hard not to like a bug , I think everyone has a story or two about one. As a kid I remember Mom crashing one through a fence rolled it across a duck pond and landed on its wheels on the other side just outside of harwood. Broke a taillight lense , had to fix the farmers fence and pay for a couple flat ducks.smile



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Hard not to smile just seeing one.

Have given and received many punches to the arm when ya see one. Still play to this day and depending on who is with you maybe even when you don't see one, but you can get away with it by just yelling out "punch buggy", no hit backsbiggrin  

We have now added "coffin" when seeing a "smart car" to the approved punching roster. That's how we roll in The River. no



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Today I started making the steering arms. 3/8 steel but I have to cut a lot of it away. Tomorrow I will lay out the Ackerman angle. Might have to get MRS D to help. This is going to take a fair amount of time.
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As of noon I have a working steering from Wheel to Wheels. May revamp the drag link later but its all in and working.
Little by little this project is taking shape. I am beginning to like it more all the time. Have to make all the lock nuts and take it all out for shine and paint but it looks like it will work. I have just enough steering to steer safely. Don't want too much as it is a race car. Enough to turn onto and off the track and enough to be able to have good control but not enough to get into trouble and put it on its top. I think I will finish everything on the front end before going back to the rear and finishing up there.
(Everything is tacked and fitted back there but finish welding needs yet to be done.)
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Funny I was thinking today(always dangerous) Way back when I built the Altered (posted just yesterday on Desoronto thread) before I sold everything originally I wanted it to have a VW body. Back then I couldn't find one and a Anderson 32 Bantam was actually cheaper. So here I am full circle realizing the original dream. There have been a lot of VW race cars over the years. CheVWagon which is the one that inspired Bill Villneff to build his. Purple People Eater a hemi powered VW from the 60s. I have three Nostalgia drag books here and there is at least one in each of them too. Also in the old Hot Rod annuals I have found one of two. All with North American power plants. Why they may actually be "traditional"
Bottom line is they are a tudr sedan and small size and light weight. And they are available. I need to put enough suds in this one so I can run with Bill at Picton. He was running a 383 chevy last time and has since whipped up a 355 for it so I will have my work cut out for me with a lowly six . However I think the crowd would enjoy it whatever the outcome.
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Working on the piston rod combo now. May have to go to West Lake and "borrow" a piston. One I have isn't quite the way I want it and I am not taking any chances. Borrow comes from Huck Finn. Huck told Tom "We have to stop here and borrow some watermelons." Tom asked, "What do you mean "borrow?" Huck says "We always meant to take them back. Just never got the chance!" Anyway whatever I need to do to get one I need at least one 2bbl piston from "the source"
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Better get your butt down here!

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I got lucky. Went to Harrys today and used his hone to finish the pin fit. The one I was worried about cleaned with in specs so I am good to go as is. Pistons are now hung on the rods. Next I have to service the block and get it ready for boring. This is what we call here a Dixie cup engine which is how I build all my prototype motors. If the Dixie cup motor works out then we build a good one. Over the years though some of the Dixie cup motors have been nothing short of wonderful. Like the 460 from a 400 mopar for instance. The name Dixie cup refers to the fact that it is a throwaway motor built with minimal expense to test an idea. A Dixie cup engine is for in house use only. Not for sale. The idea here being using rover v8pistons (.100" overbore)in a slant six. I have a spare ported head and a stack of custom made cams as well as several intakes and a set of headers so only the wearables need to be purchased. We will see what comes of it.
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You should have gone to the tractor show over at the fair grounds.

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Which fairgrounds? Picton? There is a vintage Bike show here in the "burgh" this weekend. I always take a look around to see what is available. There is something going on in Barcovan too but it must be a secret because I cant seem to find any info about it. Must have been born under the wrong star!
A&W cruise tonight was huge. Normally it isn't well attended however show was full. I heard 120 cars.
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Sorry Don

That picture was taken at Ameliasburg the Sunday after the Armdrop. I just wanted to make sure I could attach a picture. Brian tried to announce Barcovan on Thursday but there was too much chaos at the time. I haven't seen any flyers on it.

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oh Ok. My brother had two tractors in that show. I normally go but that weekend I had to go to Carlton Place to a family thingy.
Gonna Dig out my crank today and check it out for polish or grinding if required.
Mike S seems to know all about the Barcovan thing. The organizers I thought were old friends but they have said diddly squat to me about it or the other one they are involved in. I must have stepped on their toes inadvertently. Or maybe 426 MAX WEDGES are not cool cars.
who knows?
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Crank and pistons now installed in "Dixie cup" engine for the VW gasser

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Thanks for the interesting posts Don.

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My personal term for deep dished piston,s is , " soup cans " ..77.

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Now ur making me hungry!
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Block is quite close to being done. Head is ready to bolt on. Supposed to be getting a tranny core/s from my nephew in Kempville . Have a spare race converter. A friend brought me a perfect rear trunk lid so I installed it right way.
All of the sudden what seem like a huge project is getting smaller by the day.
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Spent the afternoon reworking the rear fenders. I cut a 2 1/2 inch all the way around the lower lip to give the tires room, lots of room so the wont get cut. for the first time since I started the project can see the rough body work (repairs) being all done. After that it is just sand , sand sand sand sand then paint.
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Pulling the dummy motor today and getting ready to install the new one after stealing the last few parts off the dummy.
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Tis the truth for sure. Motor is all done except for pushrods. Made a deal for a parts trans so I can get that together. Already have the converter. You must be painting today. All the best
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Motor is all together. Have to set the valves yet but the motor proper is all together. I really didn't plan to build it this year. It sort of just happened. Weird?! I am in under $400 out of pocket which seems impossible. AM experimenting with a couple ideas on this motor. Kinda curious how it turns out. If it is good expect about 270 HP at around 5700rpm. Final cubes is 237 cubes. Gotta find some spare trans parts now and whip up a HD904. Also have a Hi Stall Torque converter in stock that will work for this project. Bought it years ago for another deal. Used it for awhile but for that car needed more. It should be well suited to this combo but we shall see. Don't know if the old headers will fit this chassis but I guess I will find out soon enough. Once it can run and move I will be on "Full tilt" to get it done.
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Thanks for the updates! Any new photos Don?

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Nick M.

A journey in design and fabrication begins with a vision, a single pen stroke ... and in some cases the blow of a hammer.

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