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RUTHVEN, ONT

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This winters project 1957 Bel-Air Rebuild.
I have owned this car since 1975 its one of three 57’s that I have had.
These picture run from 1975 to 1981
She last ran a 400 small block balanced.
Then one hot Saturday night dropped the drive shaft, zinged the tack, twisted a rod, cracked the 5 and 7 holes, Split the tranny.
Dragged it home and let it sit, as I was getting married.
Now I’m retired, it’s Time to play again.



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BARRIE, ONT

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That's pretty cool, and I'm sure your tired of people asking you when your gonna bring it back out!

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It's time. Be sure to post pictures of the rebirth..

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cool story and intro to the re/birth. rev eliminators have come a long way since then.

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Great story! Looking forward to more photos of this project. :)

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Nice car :) I am looking at a 57' Chevy myself right now :)

Are you using the stock motor mounts? When you rebuild it, I would go to a set of Danchuck side mounts for the motor, and a trans crossmember. Its much easier on the trans than the bellhousing mounts and the trans hanging way out all by itself. I have done this on all the 55-57 chevs and canadian pontiacs I have had in the past. Makes a big different in trans durability.

What engine plans do you have?

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I will go with side mounts, tranny brace, heavy duty driveshaft and joints, Dana.

Thinking 383 back to 2x4 tunnel and then try mechanical stack injection later.

Same style / look everything else but with new paint.

Maroon with Gold leaf lettering. "REBEL with a cause"

 

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Unless you have the dana already, just do a Ford 9". Much lighter and with a few aftermarket bits ( 31 spline axles, pinion support) will survive forever on a street car.

Are you doing a traditional looking engine? If not, just pick up some aftermarket heads from a reputable manufacturer with a 200 or 215cc intake port. Only a few hundred more than getting an old set rebuilt, and worth 50+hp easily. For iron heads the Iron Eagle Platinums are hard to beat price wise, flow excellent, and are good quality. For aluminum the Brodix Race Rites are probably the best "cheap" aluminum heads, but the AFR 195 or 210's are just killers.



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Nice 57, looking forward to any updates on this.


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I will stick with iron heads, pan to carb’s will be orange.

Hooker wheel well headers 1 3/4 “x 3”

Thanks for your input Rick, I will look at the Iron Eagle Platinum’s.

 

Pictures are about 1975 or 6, It was a 12 to 1, 301ci

Note the oil gallery, we even painted it with gliptal paint back then.

 I have the Dana but no money it. It was a come get it out of my shop deal.



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Is the width correct on the Dana? Is it a semi, or full floater rear?

They did make a semi floater Dana 60 rear that is the correct width, and even has a 5 bolt pattern, but they are the rare and valuable mopar B body rears.

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Not sure what it is, from 1 ton pickup. But will need to shorten as I have 57 set up with springs moved in.

I have N50's inside fenders.

I am asking around if anyone has a 9" for a swap.

I had a narrow 9" but let it go with other spare parts when sold 23 track T.

 



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Well I just picked up a vintage new in box General Kinetics cam.

C1H-288-U 

CHEVY 

STICK SHIFT 

HYDROLIC 

288 ADVERTISED DURATION 

U  REVISION. 

108 lobe centers, 320/480 lift, 230 duration  

PULLS BETWEEN 2500 AND 6000 RPM 

Know to be hard on valve springs in the old days. 

Now need to pick up some Rhoads Lifters and heavy springs. 

I also bought a set of "genuine suspension" ball joint lifters for weight transfer as I do not want to go with straight axle.

 

Can anyone cross valve spring  GK#651 to something current?

 



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Wow! How did I miss this one! I'll be checking in often, looking forward to the play-by-play action!!!

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Picture #1 looks like it was taken on the Leamington Dock back in the day when driving on it was still allowed.

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Neat looking 57. I like the way you did the tilt front end without cutting the fenders as most guys do. I see you even had disc brakes on it back then.


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Yes Leamington dock first photo, then a few are at Indiana state fairgrounds hot-rod magazine event.

 Disc brakes where monty carlo  ... if you go you have to whow!

Can anyone cross the General Kenetics valve spring number to something current?

GK#651

 

 

 

 

 



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for a spring suggestion maybe try Howard Race Engines in Barrie . he helped me with my hydraulic G K cam for springs . with the springs an retainers he chose mine has hit 6500 regular at drags . no problems . His name is Bill . tell him doug the amc guy told you to call him . he,s doing some iron heads over for me right now ..77.

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Like your build or rebuild. Nice to revive an old project. Will be watching this one.
Have done a few of the 1 ton dana conversions. Bought the normal ends and ordered the axles. Worked very well although it is true they are heavy. Midnight Mirada, Gary Wagar, often
seen at Cayuga and Shannonville runs one I did maybe 15 years or so ago.
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That cam is a very old design similar to the Comp Magnum 280H. The proper springs from comp would be the 981's and they will drop into a stock spring seat. You can also use a set of Z28 springs shimmed to the proper pressure but the Comps tend to hold their pressure better and are only about $65 plus shipping.

If you are buying aftermarket heads, just buy them with the standard hydralic cam spring package and they will be fine.

I wouldn't bother with Rhoads lifters since they pump down too fast. Any set of quality lifters would be fine.




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Switching gears, the attempt now is to build as was possible in 1965.

Some one is always faster and these shoeboxs don't cut the air.

So I will play at slower pace with out new high tec / buck parts..

In '61 D/G record was 13.06 @ 106mph, set at the first Winter national in Pomona. The E/G record  held in'65  was 12.48 @110 mph with a stock bore & stroke 283.

So for heads 327 double bumps 64cc I already have.



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not going with axle but have picked these up.

 

Going to dump MR.Gasket bug catcher and look for something that might have been on a old altered.

The basic 5/6/7 gasser air scoop on hood is nor for me.

Over to cape cod this week and coming home past Summit in Ohio next Tuesday $$$$$$$$$$.

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Switching gears, the attempt now is to build as was possible in 1965.

Now ur talkin. This is where the FUN starts.
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If you ever get to Summit racing store in Ohio be sure to check out the front west corner.

There are a few racks of deals / returns / open packages/ display items at discount.

I lucked out with a set of hooker super comp wheel well headers. I recognised the part number as I was going to buy them in spring.

 This trip was for engine parts/ shocks/ and gas tank. But the price on headers made me drop the gas tank and snap up the hookers. Good karma is good stuff!



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Nice score at Summit, always nice when you can save a few bucks
Very cool story and project

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Good score!

Are you building the inside of the engine period correct or going to make it a bit more modern inside for reliability?

BTW - get your heads crack checked before you put any money into them. I just went through crack testing a dozen sets of early SBC heads a friend of mine had, and of the 24 heads, 7 were cracked and unrepairable without welding.

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The goal short term is get her back on the road for next August 14th/15th “Tri five event” in Bowling Green Ky.  (Beech Bend Raceway)

 

Over 1200, 55 56 57 Chevy’s signed up all ready.

 

After that, as time and money allows I will start to beef up replacing the rear end, Muncie, and buy a 383 500-550hp to run with the ONDR guys.

 

But for now just freshen up the 461 heads I ran on 400 small block.

 

Steal what I can from the 400 cracked block still in the car and complete a 350 short block crate motor I have in the shop corner.

 

Question: The 3782461 heads where drilled for 400 steam holes.

 

What material head gaskets should I use to block the steam holes in the heads so I can mate to the 350 block now?

Do I need to go with copper head gaskets?

 

 

 



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RacerRick wrote:

That cam is a very old design similar to the Comp Magnum 280H. The proper springs from comp would be the 981's and they will drop into a stock spring seat. You can also use a set of Z28 springs shimmed to the proper pressure but the Comps tend to hold their pressure better and are only about $65 plus shipping.

If you are buying aftermarket heads, just buy them with the standard hydralic cam spring package and they will be fine.

I wouldn't bother with Rhoads lifters since they pump down too fast. Any set of quality lifters would be fine.



       Ran that cam& spring in my a car engine and it worked great.Was in a 355 / oe dished pistons,487x heads,marine Qjet,T M 1 intake   Went 13.446 in the S jimmy and 13.83/ 13.89 in the Acadian. You will have fun with that camshaft.Keep us up to date  



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I can start to lighten things up now. Love Ebay

I can get the wonderbar and clock out of her.



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I have a ford 9 measures 45 inches flange to flange needs center section and brakes but I do have 40 spline axles with 5/8 wheel studs by mark Williams has 40 spline full spool by strange new 514 gears if interested I would sell this would bullet proof your build love your 57 my favorite car , Jay.

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As another long time tri 5 owner (37 years).....I really look forward to seeing your 57 Chevy back on the street brother....best of luck......it's going to look and sound great!

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Any updates?

BTW - any gasket will seal up the steam holes fine. I would use the standard felpro composites since they are cheap and work fine in an application like yours.

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O.K. Running late on build. But have new alum. heads that flow 258 /217, Picked up a TKO600 that has been tweaked by Liberty's.

I am not Falcon-ing around :)

I bought the single program from HOK to play with and plan my paint job.
The dark blue is very close. The purple is close. The light blue is to light and the pink is supposed to be a magenta. The program only has 300 colors.
I have all the real paint bought, this is just playing with proportions and layout with colors available.
The body is up on jack stands with bare metal and gutted. Frontend is off, trunk lid is off, doors off. Glass out.
The mystery engine is on engine stand with plastic over it.
I want a cleaner look on the sides. So Just the name, to let the body and trim show.
I will delete some Belair trim for a lighter 210 look.
On the hood and trunk lid I wanted 60’s color pop. I want a single row of gold bowties run down the center of hood and trunk between the stripes. This program will not do it for me easily.
Back of hood will be interrupted with twin Holley’s.
Would I buy this program again? It has some use, but has many limitations.
But with the cost of paint, ya it is some help in making up your mind on what to do.
Something similar to this 3D image should be seen next year at bowling green Ky. and St. Thomas Ont.
 

 



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I plan to run ONDR next summer. I was at the tri5 event in Aug. and watch wheel stand after wheel stand, now I am itchin.


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Great story and pics Ed!! Where was the tri5 event held?

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Bowling Green Kentucky, there was over 1850 Tri5's 1955,56,57 only.

Auto cross, drags, parts, town was wall to wall chevy's. Hotel driveway was black with rubber

Lutz ran 6.8? at 212mph

The very first v8 small block was on display along with the futurelinner.

They gave away a new metal 55 running chev 2dr post.

Same place next year and give away car will be a 1956

Then in 2017 to celebrate 1957 a 57 Chev giveaway.

We went through the corvette museum also while in town.



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oh my goodness, sounds like heaven!!!

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