Importing cars

Smokin Joe · ONTARIO

Importing cars

shag766 · FOXBORO, ONT

Smokin Joe wrote:
Has anyone heard all the hoops you have to jump through when importing a car now. It looks as though they are running out of ideas to justify their job.

what all is new joe?

wolfman1 · ST GEORGE, ONT

I haven't heard of any changes either

dualquadpete · BLACKSTOCK, ONT

Taxes have to be paid, state side before bringing it to cdn. side to pay more taxes!!!! You have to have docs. that taxes were paid in the state you bought it in, otherwise you get dinged at the US side. Guess they found out they were losing a lot of $$$$ so came up with this!!! Still have to have title there 72 hrs. ahead of when you cross!!!!

shag766 · FOXBORO, ONT

that could probably happen about the tax's to be paid in the state of purchase but you can claim them back when you get it home as a non resident of that state. if a 100 cars leave state x with the tax's paid and only say 25 people claim it back, they win. i can see it happening. example, if you win over a certain amount of dollars in a vegas casino you pay tax's. the onus is on you to claim it back when you get home. they won't just send the cheque if you don't file for it.
-thats the 1st i have heard about this in about a year and half since i brought the last one up. humph!

Smokin Joe · ONTARIO

The US is also making changes on the transporting of export vehicles within the US to control there movement I am told . I should here more by the end of the day on what is happening. This was originally supposed to have happened past spring but delayed and trying to enact it now.

wolfman1 · ST GEORGE, ONT

I brought a car back about 3 months ago and had no issues

Smokin Joe · ONTARIO

That is nice but 3 months ago there was no changes.

wuga · PRINCE EDWARD COUNTY, ONT

It is now US federal law that you cannot claim back state or federal taxes when you take your purchase to another state or outside the country if you picked up the purchase personally. If the seller was to bring or ship the car to you and you paid from outside the state, then there is no sales tax charged. This is just like going to Summit, making a purchase, paying the state tax and not being able to claim the tax back. If you order from Summit and have it shipped to Canada, there is no state tax charged. You still may be liable to pay HST and will definitely if it is a vehicle that you are importing.

Warren

poncho62 · ADMINISTRATOR

Wasnt there talk a few weeks ago about not allowing kit cars into Canada anymore?

Smokin Joe · ONTARIO

Follow AES all new paperwork and it says no extra cost that is until the next budget. www.riv.ca/ImportantNotices.aspx

69SS454 · MILTON, ONT

FYI... Most vehicles on this site are RIV exempt.

RIV exemptions

Vehicles are exempt from the Registrar of Imported Vehicles (RIV) registration if they are imported under one of the following conditions:
1.Vehicles older than 15 years

The vehicles (excluding buses) are 15 years old or more based on the date of manufacture, or are buses (including school buses) manufactured before January 1, 1971. The importer must be able to prove the age of the vehicle.

wolfman1 · ST GEORGE, ONT

My understanding is the AES filing is just that the U.S export office won't accept faxed copies of titles, they want everything electronically now

gkent · BRANTFORD, ONT

Seems to me the way to avoid the US bull**** is to bring the car back in an enclosed trailer so US customs don't see it, don't stop at the US side. Canada customs really don't give a **** whether you stop on the US side or not!

Fordy Acres Car Farm · DORCHESTER, ONT

There is an embossed seal that the title gets when exporting out of U.S.(importing into Canada). They will be looking for that seal when changing from U.S. title into Ontario ownership. This seal signifies that the vehicle has been released and is basically a "Green Light" as far as proceeding with your purchase.

Therefore I wouldn't recommend blowing past U.S. Customs to avoid headaches - it could cause more.

58Chev · ETOBICOKE, ONT

This from another forum::::

Here is a newspaper article giving full information on the new rules. It will make things difficult

If you are planning to buy a used vehicle in the United States and bring it home to Canada, a new U.S. government rule means a bit more legwork.
If you don't do it, it could cost you a lot more money.
WHAT IS THE AUTOMATED EXPORT SYSTEM? Automated Export System (AES) is a mandatory filing requirements by U.S. Census Bureau of the of Electronic Export Information (EEI).The exporter or the authorized agent must file the vehicle's EEI information using AES.From AES, the importer (or authorized agent) will receive an Internal Transaction Number (ITN) number in a confirmation message.This number must be presented to U.S. Customs to bring the vehicle into Canada.-- source: www.riv.ca
The rule requires electronic export information (EEI) to be filed for any used "self-propelled vehicles" -- any automobile, truck, tractor, bus, motorcycle, motor home, agricultural machinery, construction equipment or any other kind of special-use machinery designed for running on land -- through the U.S. government's automated export system (AES).
"Starting April 5, the exporter in the U.S. is required to file automated export system information. They have to report to the U.S. Census to tell them who they are, what they're sending, who it's going to, in a nutshell," said Trevor Franzmann, sales and marketing manager at A.D. Rutherford International, a Winnipeg customs broker who works with customers on both sides of U.S.-Canada.
"This is absolutely making it more difficult to buy a vehicle in the U.S. and bring it across the border."
'This is absolutely making it more difficult to buy a vehicle in the U.S. and bring it across the border'
Statistics Canada's international accounts and trade division figures for 2013 showed there were 1,332 self-propelled vehicles imported to Manitoba alone from the U.S., for a total value of about $44 million. Across Canada in 2013, there were 18,441 vehicles brought in from the U.S., for a total value of more than $555 million
Since April 5, self-propelled vehicles exported from the U.S. to Canada are no longer exempt from AES filing. The filing must take place 72 hours prior to crossing the border.
A fine up to $10,000, under the U.S. Census Bureau foreign trade regulations, can be levied for failing to submit the AES information.
"It's excessive, to say the least. The bottom line is it (the vehicle purchased) is not going to be allowed in the country (Canada) if you don't file your AES filing," Franzmann said.
An "informed compliance" period is in place until Oct. 2, giving people time to figure out the new requirements. Franzmann said Canadian buyers of vehicles from the U.S. should start complying right now or risk having the vehicle held up at the border.
"People should also be aware that, even though there is informed compliance right now, U.S. Customs has the right to deny you entry if you don't file the AES," he said.
Once the AES filing has been completed, an internal transaction number (ITN) will be assigned. The importer or a customs broker needs to present that number to U.S. Customs and Border Protection to bring the vehicle across the border.
"Simply, it ends up being the Canadians' responsibility to make sure AES filing is done, because that vehicle is not going to get into the country (Canada) unless you are provided with an ITN, an internal transaction number," Franzmann said.
A potential problem is that to complete the AES filing, the U.S. seller is required to have a federal tax identification number called an EIN. Private individuals in the U.S. might not have an EIN number but, under the new rule, the American seller will have to get one to comply with the AES filing.
That means taking the time to apply to the U.S. Internal Revenue Service, and some private sellers don't want to do that.
"What we're telling our customers is find out if the seller has or will get an EIN number. If the seller won't, don't buy or get your money back," Franzmann said.
Another possible point of confusion is which person is ultimately responsible for the AES filing.
Dale Kelly, chief of the U.S. foreign trade division, said that can vary with the location of the Canadian purchasing the vehicle.
"If the person from Canada (the importer) is actually in the U.S. at the time the goods are purchased or obtained for export, then that person/company/individual is considered the U.S. principle party in interest and responsible for the filing of the AES," Kelly said in a telephone interview from Washington, D.C.
"Only if the merchandise was sold by a U.S. person or company and the Canadian person never came to the U.S., then that U.S. company would be considered the U.S. principal party in interest."
Canadians importing a vehicle must be prepared to meet all requirements at the U.S. border in addition to paying fees and taxes.
Canadian Border Services Agency spokeswoman Esme Bailey said Canadians should contact the CBSA before they plan to import a vehicle by calling 1-800-461-9999 and visiting the website

www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca.
ashley.prest@freepress.mb.ca

wolfman1 · ST GEORGE, ONT

Very interesting, thanks
I usually ship cars to Lewiston and pick them up stateside and bring them across myself
Will have to make some calls before I bring any more cars over or wait a little while and see what is happening to others..
The last car we brought across ,we did the 72 hour notice electronically , but this seems different

58Chev · ETOBICOKE, ONT

Seems now the IRS wants to get involved on the sellers side. Might make some of them (personal owners) think twice about selling to Canadians.

shag766 · FOXBORO, ONT

gkent wrote:
Seems to me the way to avoid the US bull**** is to bring the car back in an enclosed trailer so US customs don't see it, don't stop at the US side. Canada customs really don't give a **** whether you stop on the US side or not!

doesn't have to be enclosed either. the only reason you stop for the u-s stamp is that the car can return to the states sometime later, if it wasn't cleared to leave and it comes back as sold, it never left, or just driving for the day and they decide to run you and the car through your in a pickle.

i brought a rough 69 r/r up for a parts car open trailer and didn't stop at the u-s side. on one of my trips before that i had asked the canuck side why we stopped u-s side for the clearance paper, stamp, and the guy told me they don't care if you stop or not. the reason being if it wasn't cleared/approved to leave then there will be hassles coming back as it never left.

this is all coming from the big wholesalers shuffling cars back and forth and the manufacturers are behind it also to protect their dealers. the last newer one i brought from georgia in 2009 was a 2007 escalade that i bought very reasonable priced compared to up here. i paid 30 and up here they were 50 to 55g. the warranty transferred also. the canadian dealers loose. when the exchange rate gets up into the 20% range the american/canadian wholesalers are buying up a lot of cars/trucks and bring them south and the dealers loose down there. its not the old cars they are after its all the newer stuff going back and forth and with nafta its duty free both sides. when the fancier 1/2 ton trucks came out in the 80's, ie: z78 etc, most of the newer used ones went south due to a 25-30% dollar. that made our market up here out of whack for them because there was none. i shipped two navigators down to a couple of friends and they saved large on them. the big manufacturers are pushing the governments both sides to curb it so they don't look like the bad guys. if they, the manufacturers really wanted to stop it they would stop the warranty transfers but then they would look like the bad guys. they want their cake and eat it to sort of thing.

deely, the only harely distrubutor in canada, everything that is bought in canada with h-d on it he gets a piece of, has been pushing real hard to stop all the stuff coming across due to our dollar being at par or close to it for awhile and everybody has been buying in the south from parts to whole bikes. how many used car dealers have we seen in the last couple of years with a harley or two on the floor that came from the south, deely looses.

they will be going after the new parts coming across or going down, interest rate again, before long to, i think. electronic front struts for a newer caddy up here 11-1200 each, caddy dealer u-s 650-700. canuck dealer looses. in the late 90's early 2000 i had 4 or 5 ford power stroke trucks at work. injectors up here 550-600 each, down there 350-400 times 8 per truck. dealer looses. with todays shipping you can have it pretty much in 2-3 days.

anyway this is my thinking. i have brought maybe a 13-14, probably more, cars up in the last 8-9 years and i don't really think they are going after the old stuff. some of the rules might change a bit because they are trying to get a grip on the newer stuff and we get caught up in it but the old stuff is miniscule in the big picture. with the economy being in the crapper for quite awhile now and the new car dealers that are left on both sides pushing the manufacturers for protection it will have to play out. there has been a lot of consolidation in all industries and the dealers that are left have some clout now. its politics.

toomuchjunk · S/W ONTARIO

Something I never really thought of till now..If you buy a vehicle here that was american (I THINKING OLDER VEHICLES) you should request the paperwork from the americans to make sure it was imported properly. A Canadian ownership isn't enough!!!
Perhaps carrying the export paperwork with you would also be a good idea also.
TMJ

fatchuk · ST MARYS, ONTARIO

My experience..I have probably brought back 20 vehicles, cars, couple motor homes, couple trucks over the last 6 or 7 years..I have stopped at the Us side a couple times.. but mostly never and my present motor home I never stopped at US customs..never any problem and I run it back and forth across the border often and a couple SUVs I have done the same to flip here and I have never had an issue going or coming at the border..So I don't know how ,why or if they even keep any records or do any checks..I may or may not stop depends on time and traffic I have always faxed the title to US customs but seldom stopped..Canada has never asked or seemed to care..Just sayin..that's been my experience for what it's worth..

bmw2002e3 · ST MARY'S, ONT

My Experience has been mostly like Chuck's, the only issue is, Canada customs may demand the forms proving you "exported" the vehicle correctly from the USA.
I only bothered to once, and they never asked for them. I've had friends get stuck, have to go back to the US, stop at customs and export the vehicle.

Fordy Acres Car Farm · DORCHESTER, ONT

Canada Customs is only interested in your paperwork to determine the amount you'll pay in taxes. Where you will face scrutiny is at the licence bureau.
Same with the RIV process, nothing to do with Customs - it's the licence bureau that verifies your compliance before following through with the rest of your title/ownership transfer.

shag766 · FOXBORO, ONT

Fordy Acres Car Farm wrote:
Canada Customs is only interested in your paperwork to determine the amount you'll pay in taxes. Where you will face scrutiny is at the licence bureau.
Same with the RIV process, nothing to do with Customs - it's the licence bureau that verifies your compliance before following through with the rest of your title/ownership transfer.

i had a beef at the licence joint some years ago when they told me i needed an appraisal to switch over. they said i did and i said i didn't as i was not paying tax on a value higher that was accepted by the feds at the border plus the cost for the appraisal. it turned into a brewha but i ended up on the right side of it. first time registered in ontario they accept the feds paper work. everybody, if you buy a project car that has come up from the states and is registered ont already, make sure you get it into your name before you start fixing it up. you need the appraisal for the next switch and if you paid 2000.00 for the roller and when your done it appraises 10,000.00 you are hooped for the spread.

shag766 · FOXBORO, ONT

fatchuk wrote:
My experience..I have probably brought back 20 vehicles, cars, couple motor homes, couple trucks over the last 6 or 7 years..I have stopped at the Us side a couple times.. but mostly never and my present motor home I never stopped at US customs..never any problem and I run it back and forth across the border often and a couple SUVs I have done the same to flip here and I have never had an issue going or coming at the border..So I don't know how ,why or if they even keep any records or do any checks..I may or may not stop depends on time and traffic I have always faxed the title to US customs but seldom stopped..Canada has never asked or seemed to care..Just sayin..that's been my experience for what it's worth..

i am on your side chuck with this. i think the problem would be if it is sold back to the states. it would appear as never left. as for going back and forth personal it would probably never come up but if they did do a full on check it could be an issue. i do the same as you by faxing but that is only at certain crossings. if i cross down here at 1000 islands i have the ownership sent up by fedex 3-4 days before the car gets there.

Smokin Joe · ONTARIO

In the dictionary when looking up lucky it says for definition to lookup fatchuk wrote

Have a problem one time at US customs for some reason they will be waiting each time you try and cross again.

-- Edited by Smokin Joe on Monday 10th of November 2014 12:52:32 AM

Smokin Joe · ONTARIO

Most people do not realise what the customs office is or how powerful they are. Besides being a branch of the home land security they are also a branch of the revenue department. I spent 7 HR. in one of their offices around back one trip learned a lot and came out ok. They are not pleasant to deal with if they think you owe them money. Skip paying your income tax one week see what happens. When I left I had a new temporary business name and number they set me up with done right there for the two pickups I had from Texas.
When I was walking out of their office I spotted the agent that started the whole thing and thanked him for saving me so much money. He would not shake my hand me explaining that I had kept ALL my receipts being married to a retired banker. Yes they went through them and they were now tax deductible being a business trip. I smiled and walked out with my head held high.
I did end up as a business for over ten years bringing back vehicles but mainly sheet metal making regular trips to Texas and New Mexico when ever I could get time off work and had a blast doing it. Bill Peters from Bills Trucks was a regular customer and great to deal with and warned me how the market was going to change for used parts. I listened took his advise and quit at the right time thanks to Bill.

shag766 · FOXBORO, ONT

Smokin Joe wrote:
In the dictionary when looking up lucky it says for definition to lookup fatchuk wrote
Have a problem one time at US customs for some reason they will be waiting each time you try and cross again.

-- Edited by Smokin Joe on Monday 10th of November 2014 12:52:32 AM

you nailed that on the head. when i drove truck for years running south i learned real quick how much power they have, no question's asked. i have an american pardon that i have to submit with each crossing so the door is already opened.

canadian pardon 20yrs ago, 100.00 and some odd bucks, good for life or your next screw up.

u-s pardon 15yrs ago, 400.00 plus, good for 5yrs. next one was 600.00 plus, 5yrs, renewal now, near 1000.00, 5yrs. if i didn't have family and good friends there i wouldn't be there.

GearHeadDiver · FITZROY HARBOUR, ONT

Now, what about bringing a "roller" across into Canada?
(Pre 1932) Body on frame with wheels......no engine/trans, interior, glass, etc....
being brought over for a parts car....

Is it still considered a "car"....without engine/trans?

Is an ownership required??? As well as the 72 hours, etc......or no?

Any info appreciated

studeshaker · BUCKHORN, ONT

i believe it would fall under the salvage category.

dualquadpete · BLACKSTOCK, ONT

GearHeadDiver wrote:
Now, what about bringing a "roller" across into Canada?
(Pre 1932) Body on frame with wheels......no engine/trans, interior, glass, etc....
being brought over for a parts car....

Is it still considered a "car"....without engine/trans?

Is an ownership required??? As well as the 72 hours, etc......or no?

Any info appreciated

Think on that car [ roller] it would be "flagged" & you would NEVER be able to put it on the road here in Canada "legally" without some "under the table" trickiness [ nough said on that] Maybe better to take it all apart & bring it back as "Parts" only???

GearHeadDiver · FITZROY HARBOUR, ONT

Pete,

Think that's what I may do...may be less hassle....
Frame and body on the trailer.....axles, wheels, etc in back of the truck....

studeshaker · BUCKHORN, ONT

importing salvage and parts vehicles.

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCsQFjAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.riv.ca%2FPartsAndSalvageVehicles.aspx&ei=QybpVIvWEIaEyQTQ2YHwDQ&usg=AFQjCNFbdxUcN81BiGFuyS7HScevj3i6fw&sig2=WvYrCSh7zcMfV3sJazNnhA

toomuchjunk · S/W ONTARIO

A few years ago I brought a '40 pick up cab home from Kentucky.
On the way over I told them( US customs) what I was buying. All they wanted to know was how much cash I had.
They don't care if you have under $10,000.

On the way back the Canadian tax collectors didn't even look at it.
Cost me tax on the value on the recept. No ownership just a cab they put it down as PARTS
It was easy
TMJ

GearHeadDiver · FITZROY HARBOUR, ONT

Hmmmmmm.....

As I am still going to need an affidavit to get an ownership.....perhaps this may be the best route?

Now, the fee mentioned.....am I assuming that then I won't pay tax, etc on a bill of sale.....or is it payed IN ADDITION?
.

Redneck Rydes · TRENTON, ONT & SOUTH CAROLINA

Here is my deal,I am Canadian but live in South Carolina for 6 months a year,I want to bring My truck to Canada that I own and is regiseterd in US,First I am not allowed to drive it in Canada with SC plates on It, then I can't find out if I land it what I will pay taxes on.I bought the truck 2 years ago, drive down south but I want to bring it home to CA,they want to know what I paid for it when I bought it,if that doesn't satisfy them they told me they will value it at what they think it is worth by KBB price and charge tax on that,anybody have this problem before?

slim · DUNDAS, ONT

Not sure on the plates but I know they do crosscheck when you register a car to make sure they get more then there fair share. And i think KBB only runs 20 years so thats the reason behind appraisals for anything older. There policy is whatever is greater is what you pay. One time traded some labour for a truck and was hit with the bb price other they wanted a appraisal for one 20 years old . first time i had run up against this and had the interior gutted and the drivetrain pulled so the appraisal was then way lower then the bill of sale for a driver paid tax on the bill of sale.

parklane · St THOMAS, ONT

Redneck Rydes wrote:
Here is my deal,I am Canadian but live in South Carolina for 6 months a year,I want to bring My truck to Canada that I own and is regiseterd in US,First I am not allowed to drive it in Canada with SC plates on It, then I can't find out if I land it what I will pay taxes on.I bought the truck 2 years ago, drive down south but I want to bring it home to CA,they want to know what I paid for it when I bought it,if that doesn't satisfy them they told me they will value it at what they think it is worth by KBB price and charge tax on that,anybody have this problem before?

The safest way to buy a complete car or just parts - cab, frame suspension etc., is to get the bill of sale notarized. Never had a problem, doing that.