zoomie style headers

mike · CAMBRIDGE, ONT

zoomie style headers

Cat in the Hat · BRANTFORD, ONT

I have set

Took them off after 5 min

Tooooo f n. Loud

Sell them cheap !

$50

Gazoo · BADEN, ONT

The "real" answer is no, they are not legal.
For a few reasons, 1) the noise, 2) they exhaust in front of the driver (fumes), 3) they are a burn hazard. It's just the way it's worded in the safety inspection.
Get the popcorn out, LOL, watch the vultures descend.
There are tons of rat rods/hot rods out there running them, and I have no issues with them. But like you stated, you might just be drawing unwanted attention.
The emissions etc...are rapidly throwing sticks in the hot rodding world's wheels.

mike · CAMBRIDGE, ONT

What's about using baffles to dampen the noise I'm not saying I'm going to 100% use them but do like the way they look have you guys got any ideas for something that looks similar but without all the cons

mike · CAMBRIDGE, ONT

And if you have a set for 50 bucks and wanna sell them I'll pick them up off you I am curiouse to see how it would work out

Cat in the Hat · BRANTFORD, ONT

BURN HAZZARD.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Against mto hahahahahahahahahahahahah

Mike. Some people have never seen side pipes

From the factory. 63 vette

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Some people should sit down before they hurt themselves

mike · CAMBRIDGE, ONT

I've looked at some of the info people have posted on other sites and some of it Dident make sense to me like not having enough back pressure causing the engine to run like crap and over heating valves and what not but if that was true why would they use them in stock cars and drag cars. Vehicles built for performance you would think using zoomies would have the opposite effect of what they are looking for so again if all that was true why would they use them? I'm not claiming to know one or the other thing about them so that's why I'm here asking I'm just curiouse and intrested in trying them

Gazoo · BADEN, ONT

Cat in the Hat wrote:
BURN HAZZARD.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Against mto hahahahahahahahahahahahah

Mike. Some people have never seen side pipes

From the factory. 63 vette

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Some people should sit down before they hurt themselves

The master vulture at work. Perched on a branch, ready to jump on it's prey. Baiting you is too easy.

How about you sit the **** down and face the facts, they are NOT legal Period. The reason why side pipes have been taken out of production is exactly that MORON! They are burn hazard!

What's your next intellectual/technical comeback, "you're an AZZHOLE", "YOU'RE A Wannabbe", "you're a Know it all". "somebody better sit down before he gets hurt", "Back stabber", etc...

Go away! Is that all the knowledge you have to share?

Tell me something you haven't already, enlighten me with something concrete, as opposed to something destructive.

Bruce Rossiter · TORONTO, ONT

My son has used them on his 31 Ford for the past couple of years and so far there hasn't been any trouble from the law. He does have baffles in each pipe and it isn't too loud and so far no one has burned themselves on them.

As far as I'm concerned, they are illegal according to the safety inspection standards.

-- Edited by Bruce Rossiter on Friday 12th of December 2014 10:12:10 PM

-- Edited by Bruce Rossiter on Friday 12th of December 2014 10:12:37 PM

mike · CAMBRIDGE, ONT

I really Wasent looking to start argument I'm just looking to see what info was out there on them

Gazoo · BADEN, ONT

mike wrote:
I really Wasent looking to start argument I'm just looking to see what info was out there on them

I gave you some info, as well as Bruce. Someone else didn't.

-- Edited by Gazoo on Friday 12th of December 2014 10:13:55 PM

mike · CAMBRIDGE, ONT

I'd be putting them on a open front end hopeless and fenderless car so really any exaughst system could be a potential burn hazzard

Bruce Rossiter · TORONTO, ONT

I finally got up enough nerve to post again and I think my posting is going to get deleted again. I can't win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gazoo · BADEN, ONT

mike wrote:
I'd be putting them on a open front end hopeless and fenderless car so really any exaughst system could be a potential burn hazzard

Generally speaking, the exhaust tip should be behind the occupants cabin.

mike · CAMBRIDGE, ONT

Anybody no if there's any proof them causing cracked heads and destroying valves because of cold air being able to get back air into them

Cat in the Hat · BRANTFORD, ONT

Nice potty mouth

There are thousands of rods with side pipies

Open a catalogue. You can buy them anywhere

Are you gonna sleep tonight?

When someone disagrees with you

You go off like a bottle rocket

Slow down before your head explodes

Hows your dodge coming. Any pics?

Gazoo · BADEN, ONT

Bruce Rossiter wrote:

I finally got up enough nerve to post again and I think my posting is going to get deleted again. I can't win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You and me both Bruce. But I'm not going to stop trying.

mike · CAMBRIDGE, ONT

Ok I see what your saying gazoo makes sense. Why would your post be deleted Bruce? What's wrong with it

Cat in the Hat · BRANTFORD, ONT

Bruce. Your sons car looks great

Hows the ford coming?

Cat in the Hat · BRANTFORD, ONT

My last car WON BEST EXHAUST at the SYRACUSE NATIONALS

mike · CAMBRIDGE, ONT

Ya I followed your build on that car the car came out great I wish I had of gotten to see it in person

Gazoo · BADEN, ONT

Cat in the Hat wrote:
Nice potty mouth

There are thousands of rods with side pipies

Open a catalogue. You can buy them anywhere

Are you gonna sleep tonight?

When someone disagrees with you

You go off like a bottle rocket

Slow down before your head explodes

Hows your dodge coming. Any pics?

You still here? I'm in no rush to finish my project, it's not like I'm going to sell it as soon as it's done, without actually enjoying it.

I'll post pics, when I feel like it, powder coating is next....I don't need to brag about cost of paint and hours involved to get attention.

I just slowly chug along, when I have time. Thanks for askin?

Bruce Rossiter · TORONTO, ONT

Thanks Glenn for the compliment on my son's car. My other hobby is getting in the way of working on the car but I have almost finished the adapter plate for the T5 transmission to bell housing.

I also had a ton of fun taking the chassis apart that I got from you a while back and I wish I had more to take apart.

Bob T · BRANTFORD, ONT

Technically they are illegal because of the noise. Baffles might get you by. Yes they can get hot I know people who have been told to put shields on them by the police. I have never seen a head crack or a exhaust valve burn because of open headers but if you run the motor to lean and pour cold water down them then anything is possible. Any car I've ridden in with this set up was to noisy after a few miles and became unbearable.

Cat in the Hat · BRANTFORD, ONT

Oh ya. I almost forgot. Promotors pick and top 24

Bruce Rossiter · TORONTO, ONT

mike wrote:
Why would your post be deleted Bruce? What's wrong with it

It just happens that my posts get in between a discussion and the whole works is deleted and it frustrates me.

Gazoo · BADEN, ONT

Cat in the Hat wrote:

My last car WON BEST EXHAUST at the SYRACUSE NATIONALS

We can really see your exhaust in that pic. That's just awesome. Although in reality, it still doesn't make it "LEGAL".

Even though you posed to take that pic to Mock yet another ex-member of this forum, because he pointed out the "Sharp" edge.

Good on you, Kudos, thanks for sharing.

mike · CAMBRIDGE, ONT

Thanks Bob for the info

Bob T · BRANTFORD, ONT

Bruce... Welcome to the club.

mike · CAMBRIDGE, ONT

Ic Bruce hopefully this does not happen

Cat in the Hat · BRANTFORD, ONT

Mike Bob is a smart guy

Id trust his judgement

As one of the best drag racers around

He would know more than others

mike · CAMBRIDGE, ONT

Awesome

Gazoo · BADEN, ONT

Cat in the Hat wrote:
Mike Bob is a smart guy

Id trust his judgement

As one of the best drag racers around

He would know more than others

And Bob said, "Technically they are illegal", kinda what I said. Again... Keep up the good work Kitty. wink

Hope you're sitting down... biggrin

You keep trying to try to prove me wrong. And you will even back up others that, research the theory and come up with formulas etc... In my favor may I add. And repeatedly you persist to challenge me. You think I have an "Inferiority" complex. Glenn...you are the "poster child" of inferiority complex. Your pictures, posts, etc... screams "I need attention".

I don't know where to go with this post anymore. Ego's ...

I'll accept my "**** disturber of the year" award via simulcast if need be, if I don't get it, we all know it's an inside vote. biggrin

You have yet, proven me wrong, but kudo's for your persistence.

Thanks for trying, move along, I have "bigger" fish to fry.

mike · CAMBRIDGE, ONT

After your first post saying they we're illegal believed you I was just looking for what other info everyone had on them as well and I got plenty of it so thanks everyone for your info on the topic

Cat in the Hat · BRANTFORD, ONT

Somebody needs a hug

They cant stay on topic

This one was of exhausts

Sorry Mike that you have to put up with

Personal attacks from others

I get it every time i post about rat rods

From people that have NEVER BUILT ONE

I have built 6 and never had a problem

I even had the chief of police in Niagara falls

ASK FOR A RIDE

Noise is the big problem

Keep it quiet and you wont have problems

Your outside emissions. Worry about people that have never

Built one CHIRPIN AT YOU

THEY ARE THE BIGGEST PROBLEM

I might have some parts for your build. Call if you need something

good luck with your build

-- Edited by Cat in the Hat on Friday 12th of December 2014 11:30:55 PM

Gazoo · BADEN, ONT

Cat in the Hat wrote:
Somebody needs a hug

They cant stay on topic

This one was of exhausts

Sorry Mike that you have to put up with

Personal attacks from others

I get it every time i post about rat rods

From people that have NEVER BUILT ONE

I have built 6 and never had a problem

I even had the chief of police in Niagara falls

ASK FOR A RIDE

Noise is the big problem

Keep it quiet and you wont have problems

Your outside emissions. Worry about people that have never

Built one CHIRPIN AT YOU

THEY ARE THE BIGGEST PROBLEM

Hey cutty pie, my response was "On topic".

He was asking about the legals. And "I" answered correctly....PERIOD!

If he chooses to go with the "Zoomies", so be it.

Fact of the matter is...."they are NOT....legal". PERIOD.

Yes you can get them certified/plated/...but legally...?

Chirp, chirp, chirp...

Gazoo · BADEN, ONT

Just want to make sure the OP make an informed decision.
I think the answer is obvious, without putting people down.
Just Sayin'

-- Edited by Gazoo on Saturday 13th of December 2014 12:22:07 AM

Cat in the Hat · BRANTFORD, ONT

Mike

After all the blah blah blah

Here is what the HTA SAFETY says

Section 10

Exhaust

No leaks

No exsesive noise

Not through cab

No less tha 15 cent from underbody of car

Not to cause burn entering or exiting car

It does say no leaks in the pipe

Here is the best one

Not located to burn or char brake lines

because we all know how much brake lines expand lmao

i think they( other OR guys) figured 3/10,000 of an inch over 12 feet

at 40 c ........getting back to exhaust

Thats it

Dosnt say no zoomies. Just noise

Only says to protect entering or exiting car for burns

It says pipes cant be shortend to exit under car

But it doesnt say you cant use zoomies that exit to the side

It doesnt say it has to be behind the driver

I guess the MTO is only worried about drivers and passengers

Entering or exiting the car burning themselves

I guess i will wait a long time for an apology

-- Edited by Cat in the Hat on Saturday 13th of December 2014 02:26:28 AM

studeshaker · BUCKHORN, ONT

i was told a long time ago that zoomies on a naturally aspirated engine will hurt performance as a collector is needed for proper scavenging. you don't see zoomies on pro comp dragsters, always a tuned header and collector system. it was a pro crew chief told me this about 40 years ago.

58Chev · ETOBICOKE, ONT

Mike,

You should check into what you need for emissions on that '73 block. You will need more than just a PCV.

Shame a thread has to ruined with personal bashing.

Gazoo wrote:

The master vulture at work. Perched on a branch, ready to jump on it's prey. Baiting you is too easy.
How about you sit the **** down and face the facts, they are NOT legal Period. The reason why side pipes have been taken out of production is exactly that MORON! They are burn hazard!
What's your next intellectual/technical comeback, "you're an AZZHOLE", "YOU'RE A Wannabbe", "you're a Know it all". "somebody better sit down before he gets hurt", "Back stabber", etc...
Go away! Is that all the knowledge you have to share?
Tell me something you haven't already, enlighten me with something concrete, as opposed to something destructive.

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RWW · PICTON, ONT

studeshaker wrote:
i was told a long time ago that zoomies on a naturally aspirated engine will hurt performance as a collector is needed for proper scavenging. you don't see zoomies on pro comp dragsters, always a tuned header and collector system. it was a pro crew chief told me this about 40 years ago.

I have never saw Collectors on a "Pro Comp" car. Pro Comp was a mix of Alcohol Dragsters and Funny Cars. I think you were thinking of Competition Eliminator cars like Eco-Dragsters and Dragsters etc.

hotroddonnie · BARRIE, ONT

Santa's watching! According to Norwell's work, Id say Santa's a bit of a hotrodder, most likely reading this RIGHT NOW!!!!! Santa I've been good! HRD.

pint and a pound · GTA

Buy the cheap set of zoomies that have been offered, run them till you get hassled.

Are they legal? It really doesn't matter until you are handed a ticket (IF you are ever handed a ticket).

There are plenty of Harleys out there running straight pipes (meaning No Baffles) and short exhaust and they seem to keep running. Stick a baffle in each pipe and call that your back pressure.

-- Edited by pint and a pound on Saturday 13th of December 2014 08:26:24 AM

studeshaker · BUCKHORN, ONT

RWW wrote:
studeshaker wrote:
i was told a long time ago that zoomies on a naturally aspirated engine will hurt performance as a collector is needed for proper scavenging. you don't see zoomies on pro comp dragsters, always a tuned header and collector system. it was a pro crew chief told me this about 40 years ago.

I have never saw Collectors on a "Pro Comp" car. Pro Comp was a mix of Alcohol Dragsters and Funny Cars. I think you were thinking of Competition Eliminator cars like Eco-Dragsters and Dragsters etc.

right you are, its been a long time, i get my pro's and comp's mixed up lol.

mike · CAMBRIDGE, ONT

Thanks guys that's exactly what I'm going to do I'm going to pick the set up from cat. Put baffles in them and see what happens

Iwannagofast · ONTARIO

I love this site. I love all the "informative" conversations. The beauty of building what you want is because it's what "YOU" want. Boys, this hobby has enough enemies without the ego's of some really talented builders destroying it from with-in. I left the sandbox in the schoolyard. Let's keep the subject for-most please.

fatchuk · ST MARYS, ONTARIO

Thanks for your school yard advice..

For Me I always liked brainstorming, different views, opinions, healthy arguments, schoolyard fights, mini skirts, stinky finger, tipping over out-houses, loud exhaust, rusty rockers, no floors, full moons, I have learned a lot by watching, listening, asking the dumb questions, making mistakes, getting up and trying again when I fell down or got my azz kicked..I have found with women if you turn them upside down in a 45 gallon drum with no pants they all smell the same .. I like opinions, debates, arguments, differing thoughts and controversial opinions..

It is what makes this a democracy with the freedom of speech and the absolute right to be wrong, or right, or someplace in between..I try to learn something from every post even if I disagree, or don't understand, I enjoy seeing, reading or participating in a spirited discussion it's good for our cardiovascular health..way better than a lot of boards where every body is a azz kisser, or goody-goody.. or likes to whine about the those who do engage in spirited discussions.. I notice those who like to come and make those little pissy remarks never have anything to say, never have an argument or take a position, content to be fence sitters until they think it's safe to go with the winner..I enjoy and respect entrepreneurs they are the leaders ,they are often loud and boisterous but creative and courageous by nature the rest are just followers.. kinda like if you don't own a schnauzer then you just have a dog... biggrin confuse

Bob T · BRANTFORD, ONT

Wow What kind of women are you dealing with? LOL

Fordy Acres Car Farm · DORCHESTER, ONT

My buddy Brent ran zoomies for years on his 'High Winding' 7200 RPM SBF and had no issues with the Police:

He also ran this set on the street and never got pulled over. :

pint and a pound · GTA

Am I understanding this right???? confuse

Your buddy drove a Mustang Funny Car on the street .... Seriously????