Emissions Legal....... How is it Done?

South Shore · ONTARIO

Emissions Legal....... How is it Done?

dualquadpete · BLACKSTOCK, ONT

69 only had a PCV so IMOP that's all you need , engine has to have what was on it when in "other" vehicle & if you can prove that it was installed before Jan. 99 [I know fat chance] you 'should be good"

South Shore · ONTARIO

How is a pre-emissions 1969 motor supposed to meet 1980 emission standards? Would I have to add other emissions things to do this?

pint and a pound · GTA

South Shore wrote:
How is a pre-emissions 1969 motor supposed to meet 1980 emission standards?

My question is "why do you think YOUR 1969 needs to meet 1980 standards?"

On your ownership, what year does it state your "street rod" is?

58Chev · ETOBICOKE, ONT

You don't have to add anything to the motor.

You just need to make sure as pete said, that the engine has the PCV Valve going to the front port on the carb. That's it nothing else.

Your engine did not come with anything else.

This is my 1070 327/350 with just a PCV and on the other side a breather cap with a hose to the bottom of the air cleaner.

pint and a pound · GTA

South Shore wrote:
How is a pre-emissions 1969 motor supposed to meet 1980 emission standards? Would I have to add other emissions things to do this?

The answer to your question is YES (that is my opinion).

If you are required (for whatever reason) to meet 1980 emission standards (I'm assuming specifically "tailpipe emission standards" and not a "visual assessment"), I would guess you would (most likely) need to add (at the very least) a catalytic converter (or two for dual exhaust). I am guessing that you could meet the tailpipe standards (if you engine is in good shape) without the inclusion of ALL of the emissions equipment that was installed on 1980 engines (for eg, enclosed air breather, charcoal canister, EGR valve, heat riser valve etc).

If your "street rod" is titled as a 1940 and the year of your engine can be verified as being a 1969, you really only need the emission components your engine came with. Now, that being said, IF the MOE feels your car is "stinking up the joint" due to really stinky or smoky crud pouring out of your exhaust, they do state that your car (as they see fit) can be sent for testing and IS required to meet 1980 emission standards .... again, my opinion is that a fresh catalytic (or pair) "might" get you the pass you need. That being said, if the MOE actually are sending you in for an inspection due to a horribly stinky and smoky exhaust ... just the addition of cats (or even EVERYTHING a 1980 car had as far as emission controls) won't likely get you a pass at the sniffer.

If you engine really IS in that poor condition, consider buying a brand new GM crate SBC off eBay (for $1500 or so) and avoiding the entire issue. It is illegal to remove emission control equipment .... however, crate engine (regardless of the year they were made) ARE legal without emission controls because they are sold to the public without emission control components.

58Chev · ETOBICOKE, ONT

pint and a pound wrote:
South Shore wrote:
How is a pre-emissions 1969 motor supposed to meet 1980 emission standards? Would I have to add other emissions things to do this?

The answer to your question is YES (that is my opinion).
If you are required (for whatever reason) to meet 1980 emission standards (I'm assuming specifically "tailpipe emission standards" and not a "visual assessment"), I would guess you would (most likely) need to add (at the very least) a catalytic converter (or two for dual exhaust). I am guessing that you could meet the tailpipe standards (if you engine is in good shape) without the inclusion of ALL of the emissions equipment that was installed on 1980 engines (for eg, enclosed air breather, charcoal canister, EGR valve, heat riser valve etc).

If your "street rod" is titled as a 1940 and the year of your engine can be verified as being a 1969, you really only need the emission components your engine came with. Now, that being said, IF the MOE feels your car is "stinking up the joint" due to really stinky or smoky crud pouring out of your exhaust, they do state that your car (as they see fit) can be sent for testing and IS required to meet 1980 emission standards .... again, my opinion is that a fresh catalytic (or pair) "might" get you the pass you need. That being said, if the MOE actually are sending you in for an inspection due to a horribly stinky and smoky exhaust ... just the addition of cats (or even EVERYTHING a 1980 car had as far as emission controls) won't likely get you a pass at the sniffer.
If you engine really IS in that poor condition, consider buying a brand new GM crate SBC off eBay (for $1500 or so) and avoiding the entire issue. It is illegal to remove emission control equipment .... however, crate engine (regardless of the year they were made) ARE legal without emission controls because they are sold to the public without emission control components.

And interpretation of the law is, a Crate Engine is for OFF ROAD USE ONLY. and can be in more sh!t with the MOE if the guy is a prick.

pint and a pound · GTA

Below I have copied/pasted info directly from the MOE Ontario website. Your car DOES NOT need to meet 1980 criteria UNLESS the MOE specifically requires your car to be sniffed due to it (once again) "stinking up the neighbour hood" .... that is (as I understand it) unless your "street rod" (specifically in your case) is titled as being manufactured in 1980. You are only technically required to have any and all emission controls installed IF your vehicle or engine came with them. If both your car AND your engine (assuming they have different years of manufacture) came with emission controls, you need to install the emission controls from whichever is newer. If your car is older than your engine, you need what your engine came with and nothing more (the engine being newer) ..... UNLESS you have had interaction with the MOE where they grabbed you specifically due to your car being an obvious "gross polluter". Which leads me back to my original question .... "why do you feel you need to meet 1980 emissions on your street rod with a 1969 engine?"

Do hot rods need a Drive Clean test?
Whether your car is a true hot rod or simply a modified vehicle, it has emissions requirements.

The full requirements are set out in the Environmental Protection Act, under the Motor Vehicle Regulation (Ontario Regulation 361/98).

The requirements depend on the car’s original model year:

1999 model year or older
2000 model year or newer
Definition of a hot rod
Under law, a hot rod is any car whose original motor has been replaced by a different type.

Type refers to the motor’s:

manufacturer
block size (displacement)
use in the vehicle’s model and model year*
*Any motor that was available for that model and model year (for example, it may have come as an option) would not be a different type and, therefore, not qualify as a hot rod.

Original Car (1999 model year or older)
Motor replaced pre-1999
Requirements:

Vehicle cannot operate if there are visible emissions for more than 15 seconds in any five-minute period
For Drive Clean testing (if applicable), the vehicle is deemed to be a 1980 model year and must meet or exceed - the standards set for “1980 and earlier” model-year vehicles
Catalytic converter and emission control equipment requirements do not apply to hot rods altered prior to January 1, 1999
Without emissions control equipment functioning, the vehicle could fail the Drive Clean test
Motor replaced post January 1, 1999
Requirements:

Vehicle cannot legally operate if there are visible emissions for more than 15 seconds in any 5-minute period
For Drive Clean testing, the vehicle must meet or exceed what were the emissions standards of the original motor when all original emission control equipment was functioning.
If there weren’t any standards established for the original motor, the vehicle is deemed to be a 1980 model - the standards listed for “1980 and earlier” model-year vehicles apply
All emissions control equipment must be attached and functioning (equipment refers to what came with the replacement motor or be equivalent to what would have come with that motor)
Motor replaced anytime
Requirements:

Vehicle cannot legally operate if there are visible emissions for more than 15 seconds in any 5-minute period
For Drive Clean testing, the vehicle model year is the model year as designated by the manufacturer
Vehicle must meet or exceed what were the emissions standards for the original motor when all original emission control equipment was functioning
All emissions control equipment must be attached and functioning (equipment refers to what came with the replacement motor or be equivalent to what would have come with that motor)
Proof of motor replacement
The onus is on the hot rod owner to prove when the motor was replaced; otherwise, it will be deemed to have been done after January 1, 1999.

An original receipt for the installation/purchase of the replacement motor is an example of proof.

-- Edited by pint and a pound on Wednesday 1st of April 2015 09:10:00 AM

wuga · PRINCE EDWARD COUNTY, ONT

Pulled this from the act. Any modified car with an engine pre-emission controls, (probably 1968), must meet 1980 test results even if the engine has no emission pieces. The simple answer for 1980 test results seems to be Hydrocarbons 600PPM and Carbon Monoxide 5%/vol. This is pretty easy to meet. I don't know if this applies to unmodified vehicles. I would also imagine this standard applies to any pre 1980 engine installed in a 'hot rod'.

Warren

pint and a pound · GTA

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Here is the copy/paste directly from the MOE site regarding installation of a crate motor ...

Start of quote:

"Q: The owner of a 2005 Chevrolet vehicle installed a 2011 crate motor. (The 2011 crate motor was not designed or equipped with any emission components). What are the emission requirements?

A: This vehicle must:
•meet the visible emission standards
•meet the emission standards set for the original motor (2005).
•have all emissions control equipment normally included with the replacement motor (2011), or its equivalent, attached and functioning. Since the crate motor did not come with any emission components, none are required.
•meet or exceed the 2005 standards for that original motor if a provincial officer asks for a Drive Clean test. Although emissions control equipment is not required, without it, the car would likely fail the Drive Clean test."

End of quote:

The key is right here:

"•have all emissions control equipment normally included with the replacement motor (2011), or its equivalent, attached and functioning. Since the crate motor did not come with any emission components, none are required."

This is obviously the MOE's way of "muddying the water" and thereby causing confusion. Since this example the MOE gives specifically states in the "question" part of this example that the 2011 replacement engine they are talking about actually IS a crate motor, and they go on to state that (and I quote) "Since the crate motor did not come with any emisssion components, none are required" ... the MOE had absolutely no business adding the sentence "have all emissions control equipment normally included with the replacement motor (2011), or its equivalent, attached and functioning". This sentence clearly does NOT pertain to a crate motor based on the sentence that follows stating "no emission controls are required on a crate engine". I believe what the MOE attempted to do was remind us that a replacement engine removed from a 2011 vehicle would "normally" (their word) be required to be equipped with emission controls if the engine had been removed from a GM vehicle that was sold to the public with emission controls, yet all that it does is add more confusion because that one damn sentence has absolutely NOTHING to do with crate motors.

Interestingly, I sent them a specific question regarding something else emission related and got what I believe was a vague answer ... after rewording/resending my question (almost a month ago now), I have yet to receive a second reply. Seems these people thrive on being vague so they can have some "wiggle room" in the interpretation department.

I personally believe that attending court with a copy of the "Since a crate motor did not come with any emission components, none are required" quote taken directly from the MOE website would result in a ticket for running a crate engine being thrown out (you would also need proof that the engine you are using actually IS a crate engine).

Obviously, the above posted is simply my interpretation of the legality and the emission requirements of a crate motor ... roadside MOE inspectors (and others) may view things very differently ... biggrin

-- Edited by pint and a pound on Wednesday 1st of April 2015 09:23:46 AM

South Shore · ONTARIO

As I interpreted these regulations that the MOE have placed on street rods the engine has to have all the emissions equipment that were on the engine when manufactured and they must be in working order. What I am saying is that a 1969 motor with only a PCV valve wouldn't stand a chance of meeting 1980 requirement standards would it?I don't mind having to ad the necessary things like enclosed air breather, charcoal canister, EGR valve, and heat riser valve to make it pass the 1980 standards.I would like to hear from someone that has already done it, to find out all the details.

pint and a pound · GTA

wuga wrote:

Pulled this from the act. Any modified car with an engine pre-emission controls, (probably 1968), must meet 1980 test results even if the engine has no emission pieces.

Warren

The above is obviously correct ... except for one small part. A 1940 Ford with a 1965 289 is not legally required to have 1980 emission controls installed on it, to be legal. The MOE claim they are NOT targeting "classic" or "special interest" cars (not an exact quote). Therefore, the above 1940 Ford with the 1965 289 is ONLY required to meet those standards IF the MOE feels the need to send the car for a sniff test. IF the above IS targeted for a sniff by the MOE, then (and only then) is the 1940 required to meet 1980 standards.

Again, I don't know why the original poster wants to know how to meet 1980 standards ..... has he been "sent to the sniffer" by the MOE or is he just thinking "my car is required to meet 1980 standards just to legally licence and drive my car"?

Driving an old car with an old engine that doesn't actually meet 1980 standards is not technically against the law ... failing to meet 1980 only when REQUIRED to do so is a different story.

According to the MOE, they aren't specifically targeting classic cars, so if the original posters "street rod" is running well/kept well tuned, he shouldn't (as it stands right now) actually NEED to meet 1980 standards as emission testing is not required by car prior to 1988 (or maybe it's 1987) in order to renew ones plates or at time of title transfer.

Interested in his answer as to the reason behind his original question.

-- Edited by pint and a pound on Wednesday 1st of April 2015 09:43:00 AM

pint and a pound · GTA

South Shore wrote:
As I interpreted these regulations that the MOE have placed on street rods the engine has to have all the emissions equipment that were on the engine when manufactured and they must be in working order. What I am saying is that a 1969 motor with only a PCV valve wouldn't stand a chance of meeting 1980 requirement standards would it?I don't mind having to ad the necessary things like enclosed air breather, charcoal canister, EGR valve, and heat riser valve to make it pass the 1980 standards.I would like to hear from someone that has already done it, to find out all the details.

You are most likely correct .... a 1969 engine with only a PCV may not stand a chance at meeting 1980 standards without the addition of some form of emission control equipment (above and beyond just the PCV). The reality of it is this though ... as the laws are now, you don't need an emission test on your "street rod" when transferring ownership, when initially titling/plating the car, or when you renew plates. The ONLY time this will be an issue is IF the MOE zeroes in on your car due to it obviously polluting the atmosphere due to visible smoke from tailpipe or just plain stench.

Unless they change the laws and require all vehicles built prior to 1980 must meet 1980 emission, there really isn't a need to add any emission components to a car that never came with them.

pint and a pound · GTA

South Shore wrote:
I would like to hear from someone that has already done it, to find out all the details.

I have done it ... I have installed two cats, a pcv, an egr, a closed air breather, stove pipe heater thingy from an exhaust manifold to the air filter box, and sealed filler neck/charcoal canister to my "rod" that is titled as a 1930's GM car (steel car, not an aftermarket 'glass body).

The ONLY reason why I did all that is because I am running an engine from the mid-80's, (not a crate engine) and am therefore actually required to have the emission equipment the engine came with, installed and functioning. I have never been stopped by the MOE and I drive the car everywhere.

If I had installed a 1969 engine, I wouldn't be running anything other than a PCV valve in one valve cover, and a hose from the other cover to the air filter box. I have personally NEVER heard of anyone in a "rod" being sent by the MOE for an actual sniff test (not saying it has never happened, just saying I have never heard of an actual case of it happening). I have heard of (and these may just be rumours) the occasional visual inspection where the MOE inspector looks at the block for date of manufacture, then assess whether or not the engine is still equipped with the controls the engine left the factory with. eg, If the engine numbers show the block to be a 1986 and it only has a PCV ... you can expect a ticket.

-- Edited by pint and a pound on Wednesday 1st of April 2015 10:01:23 AM

-- Edited by pint and a pound on Wednesday 1st of April 2015 10:02:23 AM

pint and a pound · GTA

South Shore wrote:
What I am saying is that a 1969 motor with only a PCV valve wouldn't stand a chance of meeting 1980 requirement standards would it?I don't mind having to ad the necessary things like enclosed air breather, charcoal canister, EGR valve, and heat riser valve to make it pass the 1980 standards.

Since the engine in your car is from 1969 ... and you may need to meet 1980 emission standards (the tailpipe sniff is the only way they can test that) ... I would guess that the most important item would be the installation of catalytic converters. An enclosed air cleaner vs. an open air cleaner probably has minimal, if any effect on the actual tailpipe emissions. I would also say that stuff like a heat riser valve (used only to speed up the warming of an engine when cold) as well as the pipe from exhaust to air cleaner, as well as a sealed gas cap/charcoal canister have basically zero affect on a warmed up, ready to test, engine from 1969. They don't appear to state that ALL emission controls from 1980 need to be installed, just that any emission components from the year of the engine (if it is newer than the chassis) need to be there, it just states the car must meet 1980 emission standards. I am confident (if not downright positive) tha 1980 emission standards can be met without EVERY SINGLE emission component a 1980 engine left the factory with. I'd bet that a good running 1969 engine with brand new cats, could meet 1980 standards ... however, no, I have not done it.

pint and a pound · GTA

At the present time, if your chassis/body/frame or whatever you want to call it, is titled earlier than your engine, you really do not need to worry about this stuff.

If you really can't stop thinking about it, I'd suggest you just install some cats and leave it at that.

58Chev · ETOBICOKE, ONT

I think the only time they would ask you to go for a sniff test is if.

6. (1) No person shall operate or cause or permit the operation of a light vehicle from which there is a visible emission for more than 15 seconds in any five-minute period. O. Reg. 401/98, s. 1; O. Reg. 86/99, s. 5 (1); O. Reg. 343/01, s. 5 (1).

69SS454 · MILTON, ONT

Personally I don't worry about it. IMO getting nabbed would be like getting hit by lightning while being eaten by a shark while holding a winning lotto ticket. JMO

South Shore · ONTARIO

I am just trying to cover my A$$ before it happens if I should get targeted by the MOE to go for a test. It would be better to be prepared and complying before this happens than scrambling to get it done in a few days. My plan was to make my street rod complyant and even take it to get it checked on my own,so I could produce the test results to them and hopefully they would leave me alone.

dualquadpete · BLACKSTOCK, ONT

Don't know where your located?? but seems to be the GTA & east where they are "fishing" I too have never heard of them sending you to a test, just writing tickets after they check the #'s on the block, on roadside Insp. then it's up to you to prove your innocent in court

51 Styline · NIAGARA FALLS, ONT

The MOE has been on my mind also. I would like to go to shows and cruise nights east of T.O. but stories of these vultures have turned me off. I have been hunting for a couple of cat. converters for my car but am not sure what to use. I have found some 4 cyl GM converters with the proper pipe size but am not sure to go with them or maybe a pair of V 8 truck converters, or Corvette converters . Still shopping prices as pension doesn't pay that well. Any suggestions?

pint and a pound · GTA

South Shore wrote:
I am just trying to cover my A$$ before it happens if I should get targeted by the MOE to go for a test. It would be better to be prepared and complying before this happens than scrambling to get it done in a few days. My plan was to make my street rod complyant and even take it to get it checked on my own,so I could produce the test results to them and hopefully they would leave me alone.

Clearly it bothers you ... I would suggest you keep the PCV (obviously), add a hose from your other valve cover to your air cleaner as, rumour has it, the MOE apparently does look for that, (to the bottom of an open air cleaner if that's what you're running), then two catalytic converters (assuming dual exhaust). I see absolutely no reason to install anything other than what I just mentioned. I would also make sure the numbers/letters/casting numbers the MOE will be looking for IF you are pulled over, can easily be seen.

I am curious .... I don't care what exactly it is you are working on ('glass, steel, sedan, coupe, T-bucket ... whatever), but I am interested in what year the ownership shows the car to be IF you already have a title for it. You could be in for some emission control related issues if you don't already have an ownership, depending on how you register the car.

pint and a pound · GTA

51 Styline wrote:
The MOE has been on my mind also. I would like to go to shows and cruise nights east of T.O. but stories of these vultures have turned me off. I have been hunting for a couple of cat. converters for my car but am not sure what to use. I have found some 4 cyl GM converters with the proper pipe size but am not sure to go with them or maybe a pair of V 8 truck converters, or Corvette converters . Still shopping prices as pension doesn't pay that well. Any suggestions?

I went with tiny little aftermarket cats that were around $100 each. Got them from my local speed shop. Don't have the box around any more but I think they were by Magnaflow (probably could find the bill if I looked hard enough). Being that they are "universal cats", they can be purchased in several different exhaust tube sizes. It's really crazy how small these things are.

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pint and a pound · GTA

South Shore wrote:
I am just trying to cover my A$$ before it happens if I should get targeted by the MOE to go for a test.

I realize this is nit-picking, but "BEFORE" it happens should really be replaced by "IF" it happens ... again, I have never heard of anyone being sent in for a sniff (with a classic/rod). The MOE, as I understand it, are more interested in writing tickets (creating revenue/justifying their jobs) at the side of the road. If you can prove your engine is a '69, and your ownership shows the car itself to be '69 or earlier, as long as you have a PCV and the hose from the other valve cover, you're going to be fine (edit: as long as your car isn't stinking up or smoking up the neighbourhood.

I guess if you're intending to install a 6-71 blower with twin turbos on a hoodless street rod, THAT might catch the eyes of the MOE ... but I have yet to hear of anyone (fact or rumour) being sent in for a sniff.

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-- Edited by pint and a pound on Wednesday 1st of April 2015 04:05:10 PM

V2addict · CRAIGHURST, ONT

pint and a pound wrote:
51 Styline wrote:
The MOE has been on my mind also. I would like to go to shows and cruise nights east of T.O. but stories of these vultures have turned me off. I have been hunting for a couple of cat. converters for my car but am not sure what to use. I have found some 4 cyl GM converters with the proper pipe size but am not sure to go with them or maybe a pair of V 8 truck converters, or Corvette converters . Still shopping prices as pension doesn't pay that well. Any suggestions?

I went with tiny little aftermarket cats that were around $100 each. Got them from my local speed shop. Don't have the box around any more but I think they were by Magnaflow (probably could find the bill if I looked hard enough). Being that they are "universal cats", they can be purchased in several different exhaust tube sizes. It's really crazy how small these things are.

That's what I used on my 56 F-100 as I don't like the raw fuel smell of some of the hot rods, also thought it would be an attempt at complying.

I know nothing about the exact year of my 302 Windsor but the guy I bought it from told me they can't get the serial # off it unless they remove the intake? I've looked at the 3, I have no Idea how to decipher them and lost interest worrying about it because everything may change before I'm there, so I will start to worry closer to then!

You know, failing to plan is planning to fail.

Redneck Rydes · TRENTON, ONT & SOUTH CAROLINA

I just bought 2 1976 Dodge D200 3/4 ton trucks here in South Carolina, They have 318 in them,NO cats and no emission controls at all except a PCV and breather tube from valve cover to air cleaner,no charcoal canister,What kind of issues if I bring 1 back home to Ontario to drive around? These are factory original trucks that came from the state of South Carolina as service trucks,all original paint and everything,so I know they didn't take anything of.I know the mechanic that serviced these truck since new.I just don't want to get caught by a little pimple face bastard MOE guy saying I have to have cats and all the crap on them.They even run on leaded gas.

V2addict · CRAIGHURST, ONT

Side note:

I just received a Performance Improvements catalogue and the Flowmaster mini cats are on sale for $89, these are the same ones I used and they are similar to the magnaflow, above.

V2

wuga · PRINCE EDWARD COUNTY, ONT

I remember trucks had different standards back in the 70s and especially Dodges due to their production numbers at the time.

Warren

dualquadpete · BLACKSTOCK, ONT

Friend of mine just scrapped a Chevy motor home of the early 80's??? SBC 400/ 400 turbo trans 36000 miles on D/line, has NO Emissions either!!!!! Was going to put engine in his 28 A panel truck, but didn't, he already had a Vette 350 in there & used all the emissions with it. May sell the 400/400 Pete

Nickeleye · COURTICE, ONT

I find it sad how much time is spent debating and discussing and trying to interpret the 'rules' of our recreational vehicles....

pint and a pound · GTA

Redneck Rydes wrote:
I just bought 2 1976 Dodge D200 3/4 ton trucks here in South Carolina, They have 318 in them,NO cats and no emission controls at all except a PCV and breather tube from valve cover to air cleaner,no charcoal canister,What kind of issues if I bring 1 back home to Ontario to drive around? These are factory original trucks that came from the state of South Carolina as service trucks,all original paint and everything,so I know they didn't take anything of.I know the mechanic that serviced these truck since new.I just don't want to get caught by a little pimple face bastard MOE guy saying I have to have cats and all the crap on them.They even run on leaded gas.

The basic premise of ALL this emission control and MOE stuff is this .... if the car came with emission controls, it must still have them installed and functioning. If the engine came with emission controls, it must still have them installed and functioning. If both the car and the engine (different engine than came with the car) came with emission controls, you must use the emission controls from whichever is newer.

As far as 1976 Dodge P-ups ... if that IS all they came with (not doubting you), you are not required to install anything else ... since the truck is completely stock, nothing (as far as emission components) has been removed, then no laws have been broken. That being said, I would suggest you collect up some documentation that shows/proves exactly what these trucks left the factory with so you will be prepared for the MOE in the event that you do get pulled over. Easier to deal with them at the side of the road, than to not be prepared ahead of time and have to deal with them in court.

GM Historical Service (I think that is the name) can produce documentation for GM vehicles ... maybe Mopar has a similar service available.

51 Styline · NIAGARA FALLS, ONT

V2addict wrote:
pint and a pound wrote:
51 Styline wrote:
The MOE has been on my mind also. I would like to go to shows and cruise nights east of T.O. but stories of these vultures have turned me off. I have been hunting for a couple of cat. converters for my car but am not sure what to use. I have found some 4 cyl GM converters with the proper pipe size but am not sure to go with them or maybe a pair of V 8 truck converters, or Corvette converters . Still shopping prices as pension doesn't pay that well. Any suggestions?

I went with tiny little aftermarket cats that were around $100 each. Got them from my local speed shop. Don't have the box around any more but I think they were by Magnaflow (probably could find the bill if I looked hard enough). Being that they are "universal cats", they can be purchased in several different exhaust tube sizes. It's really crazy how small these things are.

That's what I used on my 56 F-100 as I don't like the raw fuel smell of some of the hot rods, also thought it would be an attempt at complying.
I know nothing about the exact year of my 302 Windsor but the guy I bought it from told me they can't get the serial # off it unless they remove the intake? I've looked at the 3, I have no Idea how to decipher them and lost interest worrying about it because everything may change before I'm there, so I will start to worry closer to then!
You know, failing to plan is planning to fail.

Thanks for the Info. Its much appreciated. I will check these out . I think I will also have to get another intake with an EGR as my engine is a 1985 350 Chevy.

tractorfix · UXBRIDGE, ONT

I'm just curious, are they referring to meeting the emission standards for a 1980 car, or complying with the emission standards that were in place in 1980? Its sorta 2 different things.

dualquadpete · BLACKSTOCK, ONT

I read it as "meeting emm. Standards for a 1980 car" as we didn't have Emm. testing here in the "Nanny province" back then!!!!

slim · DUNDAS, ONT

Run what the engine came with and don't worry about it

Randyr · ONTARIO

A Ford 302 will have the block serial number and date code on the passenger side on a bottom ledge hidden by the starter. It's impossible to see without removing the starter.
This will help.

www.ehow.com/how_6018819_identify-engine-year-ford-302.html