COPO Camaro and trailer stolen in Welland today

427CARL · CLINTON, ONT

COPO Camaro and trailer stolen in Welland today

427CARL · CLINTON, ONT

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-- Edited by 427CARL on Saturday 12th of March 2016 12:02:47 AM

Whitey · CLARINGTON, ONT

just a beautiful car...jesus christ, it is times like this I am all for vigilanti justice!!!

JPB · AYLMER, ONT

Whitey wrote:
just a beautiful car...jesus christ, it is times like this I am all for vigilanti justice!!!

2X on that Whitey,2X on that.

chips · Veteran Member

Speaking of Ontario, stolen COPO's and ........ ahhhhhh ........ the "Rez".

blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2009/08/17/stolen-car-alert-copo-camaro/

teejay99 · BELLE RIVER, ONT

Well , if I had that kind of money tied up in a truck , trailer and car ....I'm guessing over 100K ....I'd have tracking devices hidden in all 3 . Whatever they cost would be worth it . Just my humble opinion .

flatblack55delivery · PORT HOPE, ONT

Are your ins costs more in the areas of, lets call it well known above average vehicle theft and below average police response,or would that be some kind of politicly incorrect profiling. Ed

427CARL · CLINTON, ONT

flatblack55delivery wrote:
Are your ins costs more in the areas of, lets call it well known above average vehicle theft and below average police response,or would that be some kind of politicly incorrect profiling. Ed

15 days and he gets full appraisal amount

chips · Veteran Member

teejay99 wrote:
Well , if I had that kind of money tied up in a truck , trailer and car ....I'm guessing over 100K ....I'd have tracking devices hidden in all 3 . Whatever they cost would be worth it . Just my humble opinion .

Also, the cost of home video security systems is quite low too. Not trying to kick anyone while they're down, just more of a suggestion for the "I live in a great area/secluded area, that'll never happen to me" people out there.

Wish the news had been out sooner ......

teejay99 · BELLE RIVER, ONT

The bad guys are thinking the same thing !

Petebil · ONTARIO

teejay99 wrote:
The bad guys are thinking the same thing !

Me thinks the bad guys are having a pow wow right now.

Northernforce · CAMBRIDGE, ONT

Regarding Chips statement from above-When the late Peter Simpson had his stolen a few years back-the thieves did not know what they had and were a few hours away from taking it apart-he had to buy it back for 25K cash -no cops-hopefully Ian gets his car back
Keep on Cruising!
Dave

meester_jamie · GALT, ONT

well,, it was only a few short weeks ago that "one" of "them" was shot and killed not far from welland... and if there was one trying to steal something,, there was 3 others sitting in the car 200m away... cause they don't go out on missions by themselves..

so.. as much as you'd like to have vigilante justice... do you want to spend time in jail?,, or find out it isn't one on one in your driveway...

globalnews.ca/news/2499007/hamilton-man-charged-after-trespasser-fatally-shot-while-trying-to-steal-truck/

Northernforce · CAMBRIDGE, ONT

Just on my way to work- can anyone can post this on yenko.net site -will spread the word-good luck!
Keep on Cruising!
Dave

teejay99 · BELLE RIVER, ONT

I looked up tracking devices and they appear to be around $200 Can $$ ...don't know if there are other things to buy with it .

JPB · AYLMER, ONT

It's too bad, Ian has raced @Sparta the last few years,a great guy and competitor.

This is the car in the photo in 427Carl's post

The Hemmings link shows the other copo stolen car owned by the previous owner; p://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2009/08/17/stolen-car-alert-copo-camaro/

-- Edited by JPB on Monday 7th of March 2016 08:46:03 AM

-- Edited by JPB on Monday 7th of March 2016 08:46:40 AM

-- Edited by JPB on Monday 7th of March 2016 09:09:29 PM

wuga · PRINCE EDWARD COUNTY, ONT

I think when you have that kink of money tied up in a project, this might be a good investment.
ontariorodders.activeboard.com/t54779266/lojack-alert-theft-recovery-system/
I don't know if Brian still is in the business, the last time he was here was in December.

Warren

Offset · HALIBURTON, ONT

Under the circumstances of where people believe this car went would a tracking device make any difference? Would the cops investigate?

Another question what happened to Peter Simpson?

chips · Veteran Member

Northernforce wrote:
Regarding Chips statement from above-When the late Peter Simpson had his stolen a few years back-the thieves did not know what they had and were a few hours away from taking it apart-he had to buy it back for 25K cash -no cops.

HOLY CRAP ..... are you kidding me? No cops, no arrests, no convictions, no jail time, no missing persons report where the description of the missing person just happens to exactly match that of the thief (heh, heh, yeah you know what I mean)?

So in the case of the Pete Simpson COPO, crime really DID pay (to the tune of $25,000). That's pathetic AND sickening.

chips · Veteran Member

JPB wrote:
It's too bad, Ian has raced @Sparta the last few years,a great guy and competitor.
This is not the car in the photo in 427Carl's post
The Hemmings link shows the correct car; this baby ran many times @ Sparta on street tires and is super fast.
http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2009/08/17/stolen-car-alert-copo-camaro/

Are you saying the Hemmings link that shows the COPO Camaro that was stolen in 2009 in Ontario by "Rez" inhabitants is the same car that was just stolen Friday in Welland?

Does anyone actually have a pic of the current stolen COPO or its trailer? I don't know if we're looking for a blue car or a white car.

Bob T · BRANTFORD, ONT

Offset.. Peter Simpson died in Jan.13 from complications from a heart transplant. I did not know him but certainly knew of his reputation as a 'pure stock' drag racer and COPO historian. He was very respected as a car guy but also as a person. RIP

JPB · AYLMER, ONT

chips wrote:
JPB wrote:
It's too bad, Ian has raced @Sparta the last few years,a great guy and competitor.
This is not the car in the photo in 427Carl's post
The Hemmings link shows the correct car; this baby ran many times @ Sparta on street tires and is super fast.
http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2009/08/17/stolen-car-alert-copo-camaro/

Are you saying the Hemmings link that shows the COPO Camaro that was stolen in 2009 in Ontario by "Rez" inhabitants is the same car that was just stolen Friday in Welland?
Does anyone actually have a pic of the current stolen COPO or its trailer? I don't know if we're looking for a blue car or a white car.

Will try and get more info.

Offset · HALIBURTON, ONT

Bob T, thank you for the information. Just seemed a little strange and I hoped not connected.

Rest In Peace Peter.

meester_jamie · GALT, ONT

Offset wrote:
Under the circumstances of where people believe this car went would a tracking device make any difference? Would the cops investigate?

Another question what happened to Peter Simpson?

a company truck disappeared just north of said location, it had tracking device and a cell phone in it, so cops and bell and our dispatch had co-ordinates on it,, they saw it travel down the hwy to their location,, then return to grab another employee truck from same parking lot,,,then return to their home area,, where the devices were turned off ... they recovered employees truck in north Carolina by accident,, about 4 mths later .. that employee was served a summons to appear in court in NC,,, lol.. so he could give his evidence

yes your honour, I went to leave and found my truck --- not there...

he was told he didn't have to appear after a short phone call

no sign of company truck tho

JPB · AYLMER, ONT

chips wrote:
JPB wrote:
It's too bad, Ian has raced @Sparta the last few years,a great guy and competitor.
This is not the car in the photo in 427Carl's post
The Hemmings link shows the correct car; this baby ran many times @ Sparta on street tires and is super fast.
http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2009/08/17/stolen-car-alert-copo-camaro/

Are you saying the Hemmings link that shows the COPO Camaro that was stolen in 2009 in Ontario by "Rez" inhabitants is the same car that was just stolen Friday in Welland?
Does anyone actually have a pic of the current stolen COPO or its trailer? I don't know if we're looking for a blue car or a white car.

White car; was told vehicle is insured.

Northernforce · CAMBRIDGE, ONT

I would think it is the blue car in the pictures above.
Keep on Cruising!
Lets find that car!!!
Dave

Bob T · BRANTFORD, ONT

It is the blue car. Shown on Hamilton T.V. tonight.

JPB · AYLMER, ONT

I 'm glad that's straightened out,thanks

and sorry if I offended anyone.

poncho62 · ADMINISTRATOR

Was just shown on Breakfast Television (City TV, Toronto) just now

toomuchjunk · S/W ONTARIO

poncho62 wrote:
Was just shown on Breakfast Television (City TV, Toronto) just now

and they said the car was on a hoist in a locked shop when it was stolen.

Offset · HALIBURTON, ONT

8:09 a.m. watching BT and they said the story is coming up shortly. Repeat but thanks guys for telling me about the coverage.

Maybe you too can see it this morning.

Bob T · BRANTFORD, ONT

Someone broke a window to get in a locked building and took the car off a hoist . Took the car , trailer and parts then abandoned the trailer and parts and took off with the car.. That's not the way they usually do it from the 'rez' but who knows. This story is going to get interesting. The owner only bought the car a short time ago.

-- Edited by Bob T on Tuesday 8th of March 2016 10:36:45 AM

teejay99 · BELLE RIVER, ONT

The bad guy sure seemed to know a lot ......looks pretty well planned .

QB409 · Member

Apparently the Yenko was a clone. It was represented as a real car, but had "altered documentation". Someone appraised this car as "possibly a real Yenko" . The VIN number is clearly not on the list of real Yenkos, so the appraisal, which valued the car at $125, 000. is completely worthless. The insurance company is only going to pay out $35, 000. This is a great lesson for those who have inflated appraisals and pay insurance premiums based on those appraisals. They will be challenged when you really need them. Selling the stolen car will be a piece of cake for the thief, with a repaint it will join the ranks of hundreds of thousands of 69 Camaros out there.

supernash · WEST PERTH, ONT

Use the Trunk Monkey. Bananas are cheap.

www.youtube.com/watch

427CARL · CLINTON, ONT

QB409 wrote:
Apparently the Yenko was a clone. It was represented as a real car, but had "altered documentation". Someone appraised this car as "possibly a real Yenko" . The VIN number is clearly not on the list of real Yenkos, so the appraisal, which valued the car at $125, 000. is completely worthless. The insurance company is only going to pay out $35, 000. This is a great lesson for those who have inflated appraisals and pay insurance premiums based on those appraisals. They will be challenged when you really need them. Selling the stolen car will be a piece of cake for the thief, with a repaint it will join the ranks of hundreds of thousands of 69 Camaros out there.

WOW ! someone reminded me that real Yenkos have been in the 300-350,000 range so a clone can be 70-125

I hope it works out for those involved

My grandson and I, lost a nice truck last Oct 3rd, and although Economical paid us well for it... We still didn't find a truck as nice....

The truck was found (dismantled) after we reported the licence plates were used on Oct 12th on 407

chips · Veteran Member

QB409 wrote:
Apparently the Yenko was a clone. Someone appraised this car as "possibly a real Yenko" .

"Possibly a real Yenko" ...... now that's bizarre.

In reality, I guess it would be quite hard to identify a true Yenko as they never left General Motors as Yenkos so who's to say how many were really built and what their VIN's are.

Guess it'll be hard to establish true replacement value based on the suggested authenticity with the car missing.

QB409 · Member

The car is not a Yenko.The VIN ''s are all known and documented. Don Yenko kept detailed records. The car was a clone built in 1998, and has this is not the first time someone has tried to pass it off as a real one. This car was presented as a real one for sale only a few weeks ago. The potential purchaser did their due diligence and passed on the car. The appraiser should have known this. The real value is easy to determine, nothing more than any other restored 69 Camaro.

slim · DUNDAS, ONT

supernash wrote:
Use the Trunk Monkey. Bananas are cheap.

www.youtube.com/watch

Dam monkey's made in China

Bob T · BRANTFORD, ONT

I have a feeling there is a lot more to this story . Stay tuned.

teejay99 · BELLE RIVER, ONT

This is reminding me of a thread on HAMB a few years ago where a guy ( I think he was in Georgia ) built a street rod , locked it in his shop , went away for the weekend with family only to find the rod gone when he returned . He had other HAMB members keeping there eyes open in several states surrounding Georgia .......turned out he had the rod stolen for insurance purposes and was arrested . Somebody , maybe cops , thought his story didn't add up ...and it didn't . Anyone remember that episode ?

chips · Veteran Member

QB409 wrote:
The car is not a Yenko.The VIN ''s are all known and documented. Don Yenko kept detailed records. The car was a clone built in 1998, and has this is not the first time someone has tried to pass it off as a real one. This car was presented as a real one for sale only a few weeks ago. The potential purchaser did their due diligence and passed on the car. The appraiser should have known this. The real value is easy to determine, nothing more than any other restored 69 Camaro.

"the car was presented as a real Yenko for sale only a few weeks ago" ..... apparently by Ed Weins.

"the potential purchaser did their due diligence and passed on the car" ...... well, it seems it DID sell a couple of weeks ago so you seem to be suggesting that while another potential purchaser DID do their due diligence, Ian Hill did not verify the cars authenticity before purchasing it.

"the appraiser should have known this" ........ I don't understand what that means. If Don Yenko kept detailed records, there isn't any room for confusion ..... either it IS a Yenko or it ISN'T. The numbers don't lie.

If that car was a nice as it looks (meaning it's not a bondo bucket with a truck 427 in it), that car would sell for a LOT more than $35,000 Canadian even as a clone. (I know of a beautiful Toronto area COPO clone up for sale right now for $80,000 US).

I'd like to know what Ed Weins was asking for it, what Ian Hill paid for it, and what Ian had it appraised/insured for before making any conclusions.

What I'm getting from your post (my assumptions are NOT exactly what you're saying) is that Ed ripped off Ian. Ian realized he'd been taken (after the sale) so Ian makes the car disappear so he can get his money back through an insurance payout, rather than take it to the police/let the courts decide the outcome.

Again, if that car is as nice as it looks, Ian Hill is being raped by his insurance if the payout is just $35,000 Canadian.

-- Edited by chips on Sunday 13th of March 2016 03:26:44 PM

QB409 · Member

www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/649262/1969-stolen-yenko-in-welland-o

flatblack55delivery · PORT HOPE, ONT

If the car was properly appraised befor or during the sale than the appraiser should have caught it , that is the kind of thing you are paying big fees for. If it wasn't then its buyer beware if you are spending that much cash. Seems with documentation available it should have been caught. Lots of questions here and the appraiser is right in the middle if you ask me, which of course no one did. Ed

QB409 · Member

You got one thing right in that post Chips. The car is not a real Yenko, and that is something any appraiser should have known.

As far as the rest of your post, that is pure speculation on your part, and does not represent anything that you think I was implying in my post.

I have no dog in this fight. I only know how it might feel to spend time looking for a stranger's lost Doberman only to find out it was really a Poodle. biggrin

-- Edited by QB409 on Sunday 13th of March 2016 05:00:05 PM

chips · Veteran Member

Whoops, I made a mistake (yeah I know eh, shocking biggrin ), the Toronto area clone for sale (that I mentioned earlier) is actually $85,000 US/$112,300 Can and is a ZL1 clone/tribute car, complete with a correct aluminum block 427.

That link you included seems surprisingly similar to my own thoughts.

I would think it would be hard to insure it for a hugely inflated amount if the appraisal is inconclusive as to whether the car is even a legitimate Yenko.

Again, how does an appraiser not determine it's authenticity? That's like an appraiser putting a real Ferrari valuation on something that "may not be a real Ferrari, it could be a Fiero based, Ferrari appearing kit car ..... I'm just not sure".

-- Edited by chips on Sunday 13th of March 2016 05:05:55 PM

teejay99 · BELLE RIVER, ONT

We had a guy down this way with a " 68 Mustang GT Convert " for sale .....buddy and I went over to have a serious look . About a minute after we got there I said to my buddy " It's not a GT " .........brought it up with the owner and , I'm not making this up , said he told the girl at the licence bureau to call it a Mustang GT on the ownership which she did . The guy says to us " It will sell for more if I call it a GT " ........his APPRAISER listed it as a 1968 Mustang GT on his sheet ! So much for appraisers .
I guess you really have to do your homework these days .

chips · Veteran Member

QB409 wrote:
You got one thing right in that post Chips. The car is not a real Yenko, and that is something any appraiser should have known.
As far as the rest of your post, that is pure speculation on your part, and does not represent anything that you think I was implying in my post.
I have no dog in this fight. I only know how it might feel to spend time looking for a stranger's lost Doberman only to find out it was really a Poodle.

Ahhhhhh, sorry bud but I reserve the right to "think" you were implying something even if you weren't. Just because you may not be implying anything doesn't mean I can't get the feeling that something is being implied. wink

No worries, for the record, I don't know either the buyer or the seller.

QB409 · Member

You have every right to be as wrong as you want. Even a broken clock is right twice a day ! Consider my last post a disclaimer, as the lawyers for the parties involved would have a field day with your post. You have connected dots in this puzzle that I would not . That "edit" button can be your best friend...

DJD · SCARBOROUGH, ONT

there is considerable difference between stating something is a scam and wondering or asking IF something is a scam

back in the mid 90's a house blew up about a mile south of my place

I went to the bank with a buddy and they had a picture of the place and the damaged homes around it , taken from above as they had a help fund deal going on to help out the neighbours

I looked at the picture and said to my buddy "if I were the cop investgating this the first thing I'd ask the neighours is if the work van parked at the bottom of the driveway usually parked there or if it would usually be parked closer to the garage?"

the van was a couple of car lengths away from the garage and the debri around and on it showed that it had been parked there when the place blew up

everyone in the bank turned to look at me...

turned out the ower blew up the place himself - there was even a tv show about it sometime later