well lets make it a full load, i'd take one of each. lol 69, i was probably making close to a couple of hundred a week driving truck out of peterboro delivering capt. crunch and his buddies from quaker oats. there was no log books back then and i was young and dumb and full of cum. lmao
That's my home town, new car hot rod shop. If you read the name under the guy on the right it's Dave Mathers. Dave ran St Thomas Raceway Park(Sparta) for a while. He's still kicking. He was at last year's ELTA party
We had one here in Clinton The Thompson brothers (2 of 3) ordered 1969 396 El Camino 4 speed in "silver" other Brother had a 64-65 Corvette roadster in "Silver"
Verne's El Camino came in.. but Leonard's didn't .... so they took a dark green Nova SS396-375 instead
by end of month new car was painted "silver" jacked up with air shocks and Mickey Thompson nylon tires
6 months later it antifreeze in oil was rebuilt don't know where it went....
That's my home town, new car hot rod shop. If you read the name under the guy on the right it's Dave Mathers. Dave ran St Thomas Raceway Park(Sparta) for a while. He's still kicking. He was at last year's ELTA party
Actually, Dave (Porky) Mathers pic is on the left bottom, not right bottom. Was talking to him on Saturday, when he stopped by the house.
Bought my 68 Z28 from Central Chev in 68 for $3700 out the door.
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Here's something kinda funny (some people might think) ..... the 2016 Audi S3 (the one I'm looking at in a Motor Trend mag) runs 13.0 at 105 mph in the quarter mile with a turbo 4-cyl. This is a 4-door with A/C, all-wheel-drive, cruise and gets 26 mpg combined. The 2015 Chevrolet SS 4-door sedan (rwd with LS3) also runs 13.0 at 109 mph and gets 16 mpg combined. 2016 Dodge Viper, 2016 Z06 Vette, Porsche GT3 (no turbo), and Ferrari 458 all run in the 11's AND can handle.
As I recall, the '70 Hemi Cuda ran 13.1, the LS6 Chevelle ran also ran 13.1
Wouldn't it suck to be putting around in your hockey-stick-striped, shaker hooded, 4 geared, 4.10 geared 426 Hemi equipped '70 Cuda, only to pull up to a light beside "junior" in daddies Audi, only to have him spank you .....
Back when I was 16, the older muscle cars could still outrun the factory stock "performance" cars like the 1980 Vette, Trans Am's, Z28's, or a "Magnum" Ferrari 308 ..... that is SO not the case nowadays.
BUT .. When you were 16 the cars had style and class. Today,,,, not so much.
Here's something kinda funny (some people might think) ..... the 2016 Audi S3 (the one I'm looking at in a Motor Trend mag) runs 13.0 at 105 mph in the quarter mile with a turbo 4-cyl. This is a 4-door with A/C, all-wheel-drive, cruise and gets 26 mpg combined. The 2015 Chevrolet SS 4-door sedan (rwd with LS3) also runs 13.0 at 109 mph and gets 16 mpg combined. 2016 Dodge Viper, 2016 Z06 Vette, Porsche GT3 (no turbo), and Ferrari 458 all run in the 11's AND can handle.
As I recall, the '70 Hemi Cuda ran 13.1, the LS6 Chevelle ran also ran 13.1
Wouldn't it suck to be putting around in your hockey-stick-striped, shaker hooded, 4 geared, 4.10 geared 426 Hemi equipped '70 Cuda, only to pull up to a light beside "junior" in daddies Audi, only to have him spank you .....
Back when I was 16, the older muscle cars could still outrun the factory stock "performance" cars like the 1980 Vette, Trans Am's, Z28's, or a "Magnum" Ferrari 308 ..... that is SO not the case nowadays.
Like comparing apples to oranges. That same 70's LS6 Chevelle or Hemi Cuda with headers , slicks and a rear gear change became a different animal.The street tires of the day provided little or no traction and the gearing from the factory was such that you couldn't apply the available h.p. Todays cars come with the whole package from the factory . In 1968 my 68 Chevy 11 [ bought at Central Chev.] 396/375 h.p. 4 speed ran 12.20's at 114 mph with headers, traction bars, 4.56 gear and 7 in slicks. I'd take the Chevy 11 over the 'new' car any day. In comparison 10 years ago my street driven '67 Chevy 11 with a stock 454 LS7[with headers] ,turbo 400 trans [3000 stall converter] ,4.10 gear and 10 in. slicks ran 10.80's at 126 mph.. Again no comparison on the 'most bang for the buck' scale.
There are or will be electric cars that , with their computers , will out perform the muscle cars of yester-year . Jay Leno was testing one . They were boring to look at and boring to watch as they obviously had no exhaust rumble . I wouldn't buy one if I had the money . And the muscle cars will continue to hold or even increase in value while the Mybotsu's will drop like a stone .
They don't build them like they used to. Thank God !
Let's face it, the old cars were all POS compared to today's vehicles.
Manufacturing techniques, computers, materials, have all improved in the last 50 years. If you had an 11 second car in the 70's, that was very quick, but you basically had a race car that was useless at anything other than going to the track. Today, it's not uncommon to have a 700+HP car that you can just jump in and drive cross country at 30 MPG. Hell, you can even buy one from the factory and have a full warranty. The resto mod guys are the ones that have their heads together, they keep the styling of the older cars, but scrap the antiquated junk that resided under the hood including the drivetrain. Best of both worlds IMO.
Like comparing apples to oranges. That same 70's LS6 Chevelle or Hemi Cuda with headers , slicks and a rear gear change became a different animal.The street tires of the day provided little or no traction and the gearing from the factory was such that you couldn't apply the available h.p. Todays cars come with the whole package from the factory . In 1968 my 68 Chevy 11 [ bought at Central Chev.] 396/375 h.p. 4 speed ran 12.20's at 114 mph with headers, traction bars, 4.56 gear and 7 in slicks. I'd take the Chevy 11 over the 'new' car any day. In comparison 10 years ago my street driven '67 Chevy 11 with a stock 454 LS7[with headers] ,turbo 400 trans [3000 stall converter] ,4.10 gear and 10 in. slicks ran 10.80's at 126 mph.. Again no comparison on the 'most bang for the buck' scale.
3000 stall, 4.10 gears, 12.5-1 LS7 .... those aren't easy things to live with on a daily basis nowadays (try taking it around a road course after you're done at the drags).
Not hating on the old cars, it's just amazing the performance these new cars have .... a 4-door Chev sedan turning the same times as a magazine tested Hemi Cuda ..... crazy.
I hear you regarding tire technology but ...... the guy with the SS sedan can slap on some slicks, install a performance chip, maybe headers, bigger injectors or even slap on a turbo, carbon fiber body parts and seats too.
There's no denying vintage muscle cars have a cool factor but ......
The way I see it, muscle cars are still cool but their real value now lies in their $$$ value, not so much for their performance ability because they just don't stand out, head and shoulders above everything else (performance wise) on the road anymore.
Look at me, talking down old musclecars on a hot rod site ...... yep, that's me, always making friends
-- Edited by chips on Wednesday 16th of March 2016 03:28:07 PM
for me it's all about the "back in the day" feeling. it's why i nostalgia drag race - no electronics and foot brake launches. my daily driver has gobs of horsepower and torque but is pretty boring compared to my chevelle. hitting the drag strip with the studebaker takes me back and recaptures the feel of yesteryear. maybe chips is missing the point.
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Think about this for a minute ..... I know that the old muscle cars were all about straight line performance but let's take a look at that. Let\s say you take your car to the drags (drive it or trailer it, whichever), make two passes in order to determine your dial-in/test the car ..... that takes all of 24 seconds (or actual racing) for a 12 second car. Add to the the fact that you're out (or broken) by the second round (if you last that long) and you've added 24 more seconds for a total of 48 seconds of actual racing before you're loading up and heading for home. At a road course, every straight is a drag race plus you can be out on the track for 25 minutes at a time, regardless of where you finish (meaning 1st, 2nd, last). If you've never been around a road course, you really have no idea how much fun you can have with a car (assuming it's set up to handle and stop as well as accelerate).
You really don't know what you're missing (I do as I've spent many hours at both Cayuga, Sparta (both as a spectator and a racer) and one trip to Sanair.
The cars I mentioned earlier don't just run the same times as a stock Hemi Cuda/LS7 Chevelle, they handle and stop too.
for me it's all about the "back in the day" feeling. it's why i nostalgia drag race - no electronics and foot brake launches. my daily driver has gobs of horsepower and torque but is pretty boring compared to my chevelle. hitting the drag strip with the studebaker takes me back and recaptures the feel of yesteryear. maybe chips is missing the point.
Yeah, I do get it, I'm not missing the point ..... I'm just pointing out that I find it amazing that the straight line performance of yesteryears Top Dog muscle cars (who wouldn't have wanted a Hemi Cuda/LS6 Chevelle/Boss 429/429 Cobra Jet, etc) is being matched by production cars that Granny could and would want to drive daily.
As stated, I didn't think my view would be readily accepted and that's ok
In 1978, I was sportin a brand new Acadian S !! Bought to pound to University and back to Embro everyday for a few years or more, or until I got more smartaged, which didn't happen anyway.
This 'thing' was ordered special (neighbour owned the Dealership) with no options of any kind at all. I'm surprised it actually passed a Safety at delivery.
It was $3500 all in. No radio. Passenger seat was fixed (not able to move). No glove compartment door etc etc. This thing didn't even have self-adjusting rear brakes !
Trust me. It was awesome !! I do wish I'd have paid an extra $100 for a glove box door and the extra 'S' decal. 1978 Acadian SS would have ruled !
Every weekend I used to stop into my Uncles shop to weld the shifter shaft back on.
Muff could set his watch to my arrival every Friday night. Good times.
for me it's all about the "back in the day" feeling. it's why i nostalgia drag race - no electronics and foot brake launches. my daily driver has gobs of horsepower and torque but is pretty boring compared to my chevelle. hitting the drag strip with the studebaker takes me back and recaptures the feel of yesteryear. maybe chips is missing the point.
for me it's all about the "back in the day" feeling. it's why i nostalgia drag race - no electronics and foot brake launches. my daily driver has gobs of horsepower and torque but is pretty boring compared to my chevelle. hitting the drag strip with the studebaker takes me back and recaptures the feel of yesteryear. maybe chips is missing the point.
My Dad bought a brand new 1966 Galaxy 500 or LTD, not sure anymore. 390 automatic, 2 door. Nice car.
I think he dropped $4000 ? That's the number I remember anyway. He traded in a Merc Monarch that had a cool rear window that went down and push button transmission.
I was 5 or 6 years old at the time.
The 66 still had the factory plastic seat covers on when he traded it in 12 years or so later.
If I remember about the " plastic seat covers " , there was a company that tried to solicit sales of these things immediately after you bought the car . I got something in the mail on my 68 Mustang . I don't think they were factory . They were also crap !
-- Edited by teejay99 on Friday 18th of March 2016 01:13:10 PM
(try taking it around a road course after you're done at the drags).
