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Anyone here that we no longer need a safety sticker for truck and trailer if you are non commercial??? 



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Smokin Joe wrote:

Anyone here that we no longer need a safety sticker for truck and trailer if you are non commercial??? 


 no, but waiting anxiously for the answer though now you brought it up.



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shag766 wrote:
Smokin Joe wrote:

Anyone here that we no longer need a safety sticker for truck and trailer if you are non commercial??? 


 no, but waiting anxiously for the answer though now you brought it up.


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Not sure the whole story but a friend that has several commercial dully trucks says insurance companies are now cracking down on some drivers and that landscapers are getting hit hard and being dropped by ins. companies. He has had to remove one of his best driver/ crew leaders with 4 minor infractions. No option to pay a higher rate and keep him driving...either he goes or we cancel.


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19-MTO014
Posting Date: May 2, 2019
Summary of Proposal: Ministry of Transportation is proposing to exempt pickup trucks and trailers used exclusively for personal use from the requirement to have an annual inspection.

Currently as per Ontario Regulation 611, an inspection at a licensed motor vehicle inspection station is required annually for commercial vehicle(s) (even if used for personal use) if any of the following conditions are met:
• The registered gross weight of the truck exceeds 4,500 kg;
• The gross (actual) weight of the truck/trailer combination (either empty or when loaded) exceeds 4,500 kg; or
• The maximum operating weight of the truck and/or truck and trailer combination as specified by the manufacturer (known as the Gross Vehicle Weight Rating) exceeds 4,500 kg.

The proposed exemption from annual inspection would apply to a pickup truck or pickup truck and trailer combination that:
• is being used for personal purposes without compensation; and
• is not carrying commercial cargo, tools or equipment of a type normally used for commercial purposes

For the purposes of this proposal, a pickup truck means a vehicle that:
• has a manufacturer's gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of 6,500 kg or less, and
• is fitted with either the original, unmodified box that was installed by the manufacturer or a unmodified replacement box that duplicates the one originally installed by the manufacturer

At the same time, the ministry is proposing to amend the weight threshold from 6,000 kg GVWR to 6,500 kg GVWR for other personal use exemptions already granted under the Highway Traffic Act related to:
• Commercial Vehicle Operator's Registration
• Daily Inspection
• Hours of Service
• Class of driver's licence for towed house trailers

The proposed changes are intended to treat personal use pickup trucks and personal use pickup-trailer combinations equally, reducing stakeholder confusion, and minimizing burden and cost for vehicle owners.

The 6,500 kg GVWR threshold is intended to distinguish pickup trucks most typically used by vehicle owners for personal use and to occasionally tow personal trailers (e.g. recreational, boat, utility), but exclude larger vehicles used for commercial purposes.

The Ministry of Transportation is seeking input on this proposal.

1. Is the 6,500 kg GVWR threshold appropriate to distinguish pickup trucks most typically used by vehicle owners for personal use to occasionally tow personal trailers from the larger types of pickup trucks typically used for commercial purposes?

2. Should the proposal include pickup trucks with a higher or lower GVWR than the proposed 6,500 kg limit for personal use? If so, what should the maximum rating be and why? If not, what concerns are raised with such a proposal?

3. Are there any other distinguishing vehicle characteristics (e.g. axles, number of axles, length of trailer etc.) that the ministry should consider with respect to an exemption for pickup trucks and trailers used exclusively for personal use?
Contact Address: Carrier Safety Policy Office
Carrier Safety and Enforcement Branch
3rd Floor, 301 St. Paul Street
St Catharines, ON L2R 7R4
Effective Date: July 1, 2019 Decision: Approved

 

 

 

Changes to the Highway Traffic Act will support drivers and businesses by:

 

 

 

  • Exempting pickup trucks and trailers from annual inspections if used for personal reasons and have a total weight of 6,500 kg or less.
  • Changing the weight threshold for pickup truck exemptions under the Highway Traffic Act from 6,000 kg GVWR to 6,500 kg GVWR, and exempting vehicles under this weight from certain requirements, including:

     

    • Maintaining a valid commercial vehicle operator's registration certificate
    • Daily inspections
    • Complying with hours of service for commercial vehicles
    • Obtaining a Class A driver's licence to drive a pickup truck and towed house trailers, under certain conditions.

     

     

  • Changing the vehicle weights and dimensions to give drivers the option to use advanced technologies such as wide-based single tires.
  • Allowing single occupant motorcycles to drive in provincial High Occupancy Vehicle lanes. 

 

 

 

 

 

Amendments will be made to regulations under the Highway Traffic Act to provide consumers greater choice by changing motorcycle handlebar height restrictions to allow for high-styled handlebars.



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So is the 6500 kg weight truck only or trailer and truck combined,right now I have a 3500 dually, personel use only, needs a yellow sticker,my 14000 gvw trailer needs a sticker, and if I tow over 10140 lbs on my trailer I was told I have to have a AR licence.

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As of July 1st of this year, vehicles with a GVWR or combined GVWR of over 4500KG will no longer need a yearly inspection (yellow sticker) if the vehicle is used for personal use.

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So the sticker I put on for $150 safety on June 30 does not need to be there?

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I tow with my 2015 Yukon with Passenger Car plates so assuming this is not classed as Commercial Vehicle, nor a "TRUCK" ??? Never been bothered "yet" with car on trailer ????

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Redneck Rydes wrote:

So the sticker I put on for $150 safety on June 30 does not need to be there?


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dualquadpete wrote:

I tow with my 2015 Yukon with Passenger Car plates so assuming this is not classed as Commercial Vehicle, nor a "TRUCK" ??? Never been bothered "yet" with car on trailer ????


 I understand a weight limit comes into play with car plates. But I have been wrong many times before Pete.

On another note a friend got a ticket because his break away cable went to his hitch where the safety chain hooks to and not directly to the vehicle.



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Smokin Joe wrote:
dualquadpete wrote:

I tow with my 2015 Yukon with Passenger Car plates so assuming this is not classed as Commercial Vehicle, nor a "TRUCK" ??? Never been bothered "yet" with car on trailer ????


 I understand a weight limit comes into play with car plates. But I have been wrong many times before Pete.

On another note a friend got a ticket because his break away cable went to his hitch where the safety chain hooks to and not directly to the vehicle.


 So where are you supposed to hook it to??? I've always looped my cable thru there & back to trailer???  Maybe he didn't loop it back to trailer.  Hitch would have to fall off for this not to work, & my hitch is "factory installed"???????????????  He should have got opportunity to move it IMOP



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Anywhere on your truck but not on the hitch. Things seem to change from official to official.

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On most vehicles there is no place other than the safety chain rings to attach the wire unless you were to install an eyebolt which would be a lot less secure then attaching it to the factory hitch. I was out one weekend using my 20' enclosed with a friend who was an OPP officer. I was trying to figure out how to secure the line and he showed me a way of attaching it to the ring. On my 5th wheel, the only place to attach is the locking pin on the release which is still part of the hitch. I think these are the only way that line was designed to work. Maybe it was looped onto the ball which would defeat the purpose of the break away. I had a ball shear on the Jasper/Banff parkway and had the wire been looped on the ball it would have gone with the trailer thus not doing its' job.

On a related note, at what trailer rated weight are electric brakes required? I see 3500 lb trailer with and without brakes as an example.

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In Ontario, trailer brakes are required if the gross weight of the trailer (trailer and load) is 1,360 kilograms (3,000 lbs) or more. These brakes must be adequate to both stop and hold the trailer, so surge brakes alone won’t cut it. Smokin Joe, it would be interesting to know what section of the HTA your friend was charged under. There’s no current Ontario law that specifies where the breakaway cable should be attached (or even if they are required at all) and the safety chain location seems logical since that's secure to the receiver or frame. If that spot is good enough for the safety chains it makes sense that it should be good enough for the cable. It can’t be attached to the ball mount in case that lets go.

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Back to the question about the yellow stickers.  I’ve read the amendment closely and here’s the simplest explanation that my 23 years in an MTO uniform can manage.

If your pickup truck, and a trailer if there is one, is being used for “personal use without compensation”, and the pickup has a manufacturer’s Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) of 6,500 kg or less (that’s the weight on the label on the door post), and an original style box, and you’re carrying anything BUT “commercial tools or cargo, or equipment of a type normally used for commercial purposes”, both the pickup and the trailer do NOT need the yellow sticker.  This new rule doesn’t mention a trailer weight so that weight is not factored into the calculation – the only weight that counts is the GVWR of the pickup so the weight of the trailer doesn’t matter, at least for the stickers.  Also, the Registered Gross Weight (RGW) doesn’t matter in this case (that’s the weight on the ownership that determines how much you paid for the plates) nor does the type of plates – “Passenger” plates on a pickup won’t make any difference.  (The definition of “commercial motor vehicle” in the HTA applies regardless of the type of plates, or even if there are no plates at all.)  And if you’re getting paid to haul that load, sorry, the old 4,500 kg rules apply regardless of the type of load – “personal use, no compensation”, remember?

Also bear in mind this exemption is only for the stickers – all other laws still apply.  For example, if both your GVWR and RGVW are 6,000 kg and all the conditions above are met, then, because of the GVWR you don’t need the stickers, but that doesn’t mean you can load the pickup over the 6,000 kg registered gross weight.  That is still a violation regardless of the sticker issue.  And, if the trailer gross weight is 4,600 kg or over, you still need at least a class “A-R” driver’s licence, just like now. 

If you ARE carrying “tools or cargo, or equipment of a type normally used for commercial purposes” (going up north to work on the family cottage are we? Shingles, compressor, nail guns, ladders, etc., or maybe a rented Bobcat for a little landscaping?), sorry, the old rules apply – 4,500 kg weight limits, stickers on everything, etc.  Obviously it’s up to an officer to decide on the type of load you’re carrying, but that wording can include almost any tools, equipment or building materials you can think of, so good luck!  Also, the exemption only applies to pickup trucks, so if you’ve got a flatbed or cargo body, sorry, the old 4,500 kg rules apply.



-- Edited by TIME TRAVELLER on Tuesday 30th of July 2019 09:42:13 AM

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shag766 wrote:
Redneck Rydes wrote:

So the sticker I put on for $150 safety on June 30 does not need to be there?


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 looks like it has been answered with travelers last post, yea you needed it on the 3500 quad and i was contemplating putting the f-350 into my name personal if it didn't need it. i don't mind the truck so much but it is the trailers also and some i wouldn't use more than once or twice a year, maybe.  i have always been under the impression that any trailer i was pulling had to have a sticker also but maybe not now as i read it below.

another thing to watch geof is your GVW weight that you are buying with your yearly plate. i had an m.t.o. audit about 5-6 yrs ago and he caught the fact i would of been overloaded on my dually with a full fuel tank, lol. i was buying the GVW dry weight, lol. he was good about it and told me to at least cover that weight minimum. it was my first audit in about 35 yrs and i got a 750.00 fine for something stupid, thankfully. it was funny, my manager was getting mad about getting a ticket for something tid bit and i had to tell him to relax. clarke buddy relax, he is not sitting here for a couple of days and not getting nothing buddy, relax and remember the early yrs. lmao  35yrs into 750.00 fine = 22 bucks a year. cheap, i have heard horror stories on these audits around here.   



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