this is why americans hate our ohip system

fatstax · COBOURG, ONT

this is why americans hate our ohip system

GhostPost · ONTARIO

BARRIE, ONTARIO

I,m Canadian , 51 yrs old , worked since 16 full time , yeah I get free medical , but the physical therapy , the chiropractic , pulling of wisdom teeth , glasses , intermittent blurry vision , I have to pay for for myself .
I doubt if the foot injury that I,m gonna have looked at this yr will be covered either . The ringing slash hissing in my left ear isn,t covered .
The one thing my doctor assures me is free , he is more then willing to start putting a finger ( s ) in my bum , at least once a year .
Last time I was at barrie hospital new an improved with more staff , more efficient , 7 . 5 hrs to get a piece of crap picked outta my eye , and not even by a doctor ..77.

hemi43 · ONTARIO

Our health care is excellent , just don't get sick. I bet we pay more for our health care through taxes, than Americans pay for health insurance.

Slammed 35 · HOOTERVILLE, ONT

Yeah, our health care is far from "free"

dualquadpete · BLACKSTOCK, ONT

Every time my friend from W.V. comes to visit me He remarks on the expensive gas, exp. BEER & cost of living up here, but then says "But you have "free" health care!!"

fatstax · COBOURG, ONT

of course its not free, i never said it was. we pay for it but in proportion to what it would cost if we didnt have this system we do quite well. i had a foot operation about 11 years ago which if i had to pay out of pocket would have been over 100000 dollars, im pretty sure i havent paid that much in health care over my whole lifetime

MANCAVER · info@mancavestuff.ca

hemi43 wrote:
Our health care is excellent , just don't get sick. I bet we pay more for our health care through taxes, than Americans pay for health insurance.

I seriously doubt that.

The Americans pay BILLIONS to US insurance companies. We get ours at cost. Self employed people ( like many of us) in the US pay an average of 15.3 percent of their net earnings for healthcare insurance.

Vive La Canada!

flatblack55delivery · PORT HOPE, ONT

With all my kids and grand kids our experince with the systm has been "can we help you" not "can you pay" is there room for improvement ,absoutley,dental and perscriptions ,but I wouldn't trade systems .I would rather give up a little at a time ,than to be hit with a huge bill in an emergency.I enjoy the fact that, most, health issues are not something I have to worry about. Ed

GhostPost · ONTARIO

I know some might disagree with me. But until your in my shoes. You can not really say.
I am very sick. I have an incurable disease and have had several surgeries. My cost $42 for parking for 4 brain surgeries. One surgery cost $100,000. I have spoken to many americans and some world wide with the same disease. The advantage used to be in the states where you would have an MRI the same day you w.anted it as opposed to waiting months here. But if you had no healthcare insurance you were kinda screwed. And in the states some insurance compaines require you to pay up front.
In Ontario we also have Trillium which helps low income families get subsidized prescriptions. Which I used to use.
My family would have to spend about $375 every 3 months until "The deductable was achieved" and then it was free. It is very easy for us to reach that deductable because the cost and amount of my own meds alone. Not all meds are covered and I had to fight to get certain life saving meds covered which I eventually pleaed my cases and won. Now we are fortunate my wife has 80% benefits. But back to heathcare....it also saved my dad. His surgery saved his life 11 years ago. If he was in the states and had to pay the $275,000 for his surgery he would be homeless or broke or dead. Our system is far form perfect. It has alot of flaws and there is sheer abuse of the system at hospitals...( people in for cold,sore finger nail,dumb things). But until your in my shoes with an incurable disease where you need hospitals on a regular basis then I am quite proud to be a Canadian and live here.I made the joke photo above(getting feelings checked) because of the abuse at hospitals. Last hospital visit in ER, I had broken my foot, and sitting there having one of my attacks trying not to cause a scene or get thrown out from yelling in pain and in the next bed is someone complaining and yelling at the doctor why they been here 3 hours for a cold and someone came in after them and that they got bumped. Well hey stupid, did ya ever think someones heart attack is more time sensitive than your sniffles? Or that perhaps a car accident happened or whatever.
The only reason I went in to the hospital myself was to make sure I reset the broken bones myself properly and get an aircast. My kid just sat there, shook his head in disblief at morons like that. I have read your comments and understand where some of your views and opinions have come your way but I for one am quit happy with it.

MANCAVER · info@mancavestuff.ca

flatblack55delivery wrote:
I enjoy the fact that, most, health issues are not something I have to worry about. Ed

I totally agree. Imagine the stress of having to come up with $4500 every year or $12,000. for your family.

GhostPost · ONTARIO

MANCAVER wrote:
flatblack55delivery wrote:
I enjoy the fact that, most, health issues are not something I have to worry about. Ed
I totally agree. Imagine the stress of having to come up with $4500 every year or $12,000. for your family.

easpecially when you make under $10,000 a year like me on CPP Disability.

fatstax · COBOURG, ONT

this is why what they call obamacare is being attacked by the republicans, this idea will surely end the for profit system that has made many people billionaires, the very people who are so opposed to it. mind you they could have better implemented it but it is the law of the land in murica so they better get used to it. given the system they have in america for taxes its not really any more or less then the system we have, americans pay less tax then we do and pay for more things up front. we simply dont see alot of the things we pay for since we pay for it through our income taxes

poncho62 · ADMINISTRATOR

I have to agree with what Ghostpost and a few other have said....It aint perfect, but its a hell of a lot better than what many or most people in the world have.

You can please most of the people most of the time, but you cant please all of the people all of the time

fatchuk · ST MARYS, ONTARIO

As as I am concerned and for what we pay in taxes for health care and the quality of health care in Canada it sucks..I think we have a lousy health care system..Just wait till you really need it and have to wait hundreds of hrs in DRs offices and emergecy rooms, only to get poor Drs and lousy surgeries , there are way to many horror stories and waste, and idiots in our health care system ,it is way to expensive and has way to many people sucking fat overblown paychecks..There are so many countries with way superior heath care than we get in this country ..I sure don't feel that our health care is good or cheap or thinking it's free is a myth...I have been through this crappy system more than once with some life threatning issues in my immediate family and have had horror stories..I beleive I can get better care for my dog than my wife ..way to much waste and administration and too many idiots..that are quick with scripts and wait times I think most of the undereducated Drs end up in Canada because the system is easy for them to scam and get rich..Excellent medical care is found in Germany, Switzerland, Austria, and many other european countrys thats my view...I don't feel that we have a good system at all We barely can get basic health care here and it's mediocre at best for most of us unless your a celebrity or a politcian , but most of us grunts just move to the back of the line....

el toro · LONDON, ONT

I couldn't hope for any better Drs and care than what I've received at the London Regional Cancer Program. If I lived in the US I'd be dead by now, my cancer and other drugs cost $95,000yr., thank God I have 100% drug plan because OHIP doesn't cover drugs unless you're on welfare. I can just imagine what they charge for the operation and cat scans every 3mo. for the last 5yrs.

-- Edited by el toro on Saturday 25th of January 2014 09:59:55 AM

GhostPost · ONTARIO

Caption says it all. And I am very blessed to have the health care I do. Most people haven't a remote distinct clue what it's like to be sick. I do not even wish what I have on my worst enemy.

parklane · St THOMAS, ONT

fatstax wrote: i had a foot operation about 11 years ago which if i had to pay out of pocket would have been over 100000 dollars.

Never realized that it cost that much to get it out of your mouth. biggrin biggrin evileye

-- Edited by parklane on Saturday 25th of January 2014 01:48:58 PM

427CARL · CLINTON, ONT

GhostPost wrote:
Caption says it all. And I am very blessed to have the health care I do. Most people haven't a remote distinct clue what it's like to be sick. I do not even wish what I have on my worst enemy.

With a sick daughter and a wife who has extensive back surgery I could never pay back the cost I'm blessed

but I still "squeeze by" on no private pension(worked for a family for 35 years) and just CPP and OAS

and Mr Harper gives 66 million to Israel

dualquadpete · BLACKSTOCK, ONT

Ya that PI$$ED me off too, when i heard Harper cut a cheque to Israel + likely a few more countries while he's there & there are people right here in Cda. that need help that he cut off or made in so tough for UI or welfare??? Guess we don't count till election time then the LIES start all over again!!!

flatblack55delivery · PORT HOPE, ONT

You got that right,if they are trying to buy votes maybe they should start with the people who can actually vote for them. Ed

sasquatch · NORTH BAY, ONT

Gotta say there have been two cases of terminally ill cases in my deal, i have no complaints, service and care were very good.

fatstax · COBOURG, ONT

parklane wrote:
fatstax wrote: i had a foot operation about 11 years ago which if i had to pay out of pocket would have been over 100000 dollars.
Never realized that it cost that much to get it out of your mouth.

-- Edited by parklane on Saturday 25th of January 2014 01:48:58 PM

if you like i can put it up your a** and we can see how much that will cost to remove.

-- Edited by fatstax on Saturday 25th of January 2014 10:08:00 PM

Gazoo · BADEN, ONT

fatstax wrote:
parklane wrote:
fatstax wrote: i had a foot operation about 11 years ago which if i had to pay out of pocket would have been over 100000 dollars.
Never realized that it cost that much to get it out of your mouth.

-- Edited by parklane on Saturday 25th of January 2014 01:48:58 PM
if you like i can put it up your a** and we can see how much that will cost to remove.

-- Edited by fatstax on Saturday 25th of January 2014 10:08:00 PM

LOL, and off to the "Off Topic" we go. biggrin

Bruce Rossiter · TORONTO, ONT

dualquadpete wrote:
Ya that PI$$ED me off too, when i heard Harper cut a cheque to Israel + likely a few more countries while he's there & there are people right here in Cda. that need help that he cut off or made in so tough for UI or welfare??? Guess we don't count till election time then the LIES start all over again!!!

And what group of "A" holes are you going to blame for voting this group in?

Gazoo · BADEN, ONT

There's many variables, that will affect whether or not you think it's a good system. Everyone's experiences will differ, depending on Doctor, area, time, etc...
I personally have been dealing with an ailment, that's been dragging on for over three years now, and I gave up. Decided I'd just deal with the daily pains, rather than dealing with the rest of the BS.
Meanwhile a friend of mine with the exact same issues, was diagnosed 6 months after me, and had surgery, off work for 6 weeks and back to work, 1 year ago.
Why is that I ask my Dr., I never did get a straight answer.

The system does need a lot of work, but...I'd have to say, it's better then not having any. I could just as well, be having bad doctors and having to pay for it.

Schnitz · MILTON, ONT

I think the unconscious stress of knowing a serious illness will bankrupt your family can itself cause a serious illness.
I can't even fathom that sort of stress.
Thank you Canada!!!

JPB · AYLMER, ONT

Gazoo wrote:
There's many variables, that will affect whether or not you think it's a good system. Everyone's experiences will differ, depending on Doctor, area, time, etc...

Lost my father in law last summer and I blame the system.He got sick,went to the hospital 3 separate times( in a few days out) 3rd time you don't go home.Never found out what was wrong with him.They said he belonged in a "home," seniors are regarded as "bed horders" in a Hospital. That's where he went, much to my wife's complaints and that's where he died, not knowing what was wrong with him disbelief all within 2 months time.

-- Edited by JPB on Saturday 25th of January 2014 11:03:37 PM

Gazoo · BADEN, ONT

JPB wrote:
Gazoo wrote:
There's many variables, that will affect whether or not you think it's a good system. Everyone's experiences will differ, depending on Doctor, area, time, etc...
Lost my father in law last summer and I blame the system.He got sick,went to the hospital 3 separate times( in a few days out) 3rd time you don't go home.Never found out what was wrong with him.They said he belonged in a "home," seniors are regarded as "bed horders" in a Hospital. That's where he went, much to my wife's complaints and that's where he died, not knowing what was wrong with him all within 2 months time.

-- Edited by JPB on Saturday 25th of January 2014 11:03:37 PM

I've lost both my parents for what I believe, reasons that could have been avoided, would we have a "better" system.

1) My mother (pancreatic cancer), had been calling her doctor for months, complaining about her symptoms, and being shrugged off. To the point that she drove herself to the hospital and made such a scene that they would hold her in the psychiatric ward for observation. Which is where they finally ran some test and realized she had Pancreatic cancer and it was too advanced to do anything. She passed 2 weeks later.

2) My father, in a nursing home for two years with Dementia/Alzheimer; perfectly healthy, aside from his memory. Somehow got a bladder infection, so bad he got blood poisoning and never recuperated.

I personally have little faith in our system, but it has worked well for others, and that's OK in my books.

Gearhead · ELORA, ONT

I have great faith in our medical system, scratch that...capabilities rather... when it comes to saving lives from trauma and treating people's ailments with our growing technological advances (laser & orthoscopic procedures etc.) but not when it comes to cancer etc. There's a saying in some circles; Fat, sick and nearly dead...and that's where the Rx companies and medical system want us and why they will not recognize/embrace/adopt holistic methods of treatment.

There's NO PROFIT in healthy people. Think about that for a minute. Think about the Gazillions of dollars here...

The fact is, people can keep themselves healthy largely by the way they live their lives. Expecting a pill to fix us is unrealistic.

-- Edited by Gearhead on Sunday 26th of January 2014 08:04:22 AM

fatstax · COBOURG, ONT

why do you think they continue to treat cancer? its a billion upon billion dollar industry, to reveal the cure that is known to exist would put hundreds of thousands out of work. it would be economic disaster

sasquatch · NORTH BAY, ONT

X2 on that fastax! Sure makes one wonder, we can put people on the moon and mars , but can't just figure out a cure? (After hot many decades of searching?)

GhostPost · ONTARIO

Gearhead wrote:
I have great faith in our medical system, scratch that...capabilities rather... when it comes to saving lives from trauma and treating people's ailments with our growing technological advances (laser & orthoscopic procedures etc.) but not when it comes to cancer etc. There's a saying in some circles; Fat, sick and nearly dead...and that's where the Rx companies and medical system want us and why they will not recognize/embrace/adopt holistic methods of treatment.

There's NO PROFIT in healthy people. Think about that for a minute. Think about the Gazillions of dollars here...
The fact is, people can keep themselves healthy largely by the way they live their lives. Expecting a pill to fix us is unrealistic.

-- Edited by Gearhead on Sunday 26th of January 2014 08:04:22 AM

While I do agree with you in regards to n profit for healthy people I disagree with your last statement in regards to keeping yourself healthy.

There is no ryme no reason why I got sick. I suspect stress. I agree with thinking a pill to fix us us unrealistic. Doctors had funneled my body for years with drugs and all I ever got was horrible side affects. I tried every known medication for the disease. I got zero relief. Bad side affects. Then with some leg work I found out about a trial surgery. I pushed for it. My decision. And they were never going to offer or mention it to me.

Not trying to get off topic but it is correlated. Lets use marijuana for example. I personally support the use of marijuana for medicinal use ONLY. Not recreational.

I know personally people (in and out of my family) whom use it for pain. Unfortunately it doesn't help me. These people I know personally have scripts to use and grow. I personally would never fault someone trying to find relief from pain. The pharmasuticle companies do not want cannibis legalized because A. They know it works for alot of people and B. it will destroy sales of pills. My own brother in law has been pumped full of pills, had back surgery 2x and nothing works for pain but marijuana. Fact. I have friends with MS. Same thing.

In the 1940s Doctors used to prescribe marijuana to patients. And then like anything was prohibited. I personally blame pharmasuticle companies for our health more than I blame ourselves. I was very much a fit person when I got sick. I smoked but didnt drink. I was not over weight at the time, No drug use and I got sick. Theries of factories I worked at from chemicals may have caused or triggered it but it was circumstancial stress I believe how I got sick. Things I could not control in my life happening to me and voila I got sick.

Sadly the disease I carry not only isn't heard of, but lets state some factual information. The NIH spent $1.872 BILLION researching Multiple Sclorosis and rightfully so ( know 3 people sadly who have it), my disease.....less than 2 million in past 25 years...now that is even more sad.

Like Fatstax said. About cancer. They do research for a cure. But more money is pumped band aiding the solution than fixing it. I am quite lucky to have Doctors, and surgeons willing to fix me rather than give me drugs. Which I have flat out told them I do not like using.

sasquatch · NORTH BAY, ONT

Good interesting post GhostPost. Hopefully things get a bit better for you.

hemi43 · ONTARIO

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Flatduck · ONTARIO

strange way of thinking.. I sure disagree..................... The fact is, people can keep themselves healthy largely by the way they live their lives. Expecting a pill to fix us is unrealistic................................ people don t get cancer only cause they re unhealthy ....there is people perfectly healthy who get cancer ............cancer is just something you don t have control on ......neither the doctor ..........

Gearhead · ELORA, ONT

Ghostpost, I am sorry to hear of your situation. My comments were a generalization and not directed towards anyone nor were they meant to sound insensitive to those suffering or to those with ailing family members.

I'm not going to make this thread into a great debate, but will state that there has been studies that prove that many of our "modern" diseases (AKA, diseases not common at the turn of the century such as cancer, alzheimer's, diabetes and heart disease) are highly preventable. There is a direct correlation with these diseases from environment, diet, absorption, activity and poor stress management.

I'm not a doctor, nor profess to be. My wife is studying to be a holistic nutritionist and I've learned some things by absorption. I am certainly not an expert in that field either, but I have learned enough for her that there is something to the fact that modern medicine is failing us. We have 3000 year old sciences that work (Chinese medicine, acupuncture, yoga, ayurveda to name a few), yet our scientists discard that for something in a pill form. Chemo kills you just as effectively as cancer and destroys your organs in the process.

This info is out there. The China Study is a good book for those interested in the correlation of cancer and the consumption of animal proteins. I think that we all know by now that dairy products are the leading cause of prostate cancer. It discusses how certain proteins (animal) turn on cancer growth, and some proteins (plant) can turn cancer cell production off. There's also an interesting reference to an abrupt stop to recorded cancer deaths in Poland during WWII, the return directly thereafter and its cause.

I urge anyone interested to look into this, and not flame me for it.

Google Kris Carr and look into her story. (you may be glad you did) She beat cancer by diet

Send me a PM if you want more info

-- Edited by Gearhead on Sunday 26th of January 2014 03:08:13 PM

Gearhead · ELORA, ONT

This is Kris Carr

Got your attention?

-- Edited by Gearhead on Sunday 26th of January 2014 03:13:40 PM

GhostPost · ONTARIO

Hey GearHead. No worries I am not offended by any means.
As I said 99% of the world has no clue if what happens to me and others alike.
I am a world expert. My neurosurgeon says I know far more than him on the disease.

There is a lot if truth and help with holistic healing.
To me it's like science. Science only goes so far and them comes god

What works for some May not work for others.
I support anyone getting healing and relief whether western or eastern medicine

I owe a lot of admiration to dr s willing to try new ways.
I am a medical prodigy and chose surgery to benefit others worldwide as well as myself.

Gearhead · ELORA, ONT

GhostPost wrote:
Hey GearHead. No worries I am not offended by any means.
As I said 99% of the world has no clue if what happens to me and others alike.
I am a world expert. My neurosurgeon says I know far more than him on the disease.

There is a lot if truth and help with holistic healing.
To me it's like science. Science only goes so far and them comes god

What works for some May not work for others.
I support anyone getting healing and relief whether western or eastern medicine

I owe a lot of admiration to dr s willing to try new ways.
I am a medical prodigy and chose surgery to benefit others worldwide as well as myself.

I'm glad and wish you the best in your recovery or wellness. Your open mind has surely benefited you greatly

dualquadpete · BLACKSTOCK, ONT

Bruce Rossiter wrote:
dualquadpete wrote:
Ya that PI$$ED me off too, when i heard Harper cut a cheque to Israel + likely a few more countries while he's there & there are people right here in Cda. that need help that he cut off or made in so tough for UI or welfare??? Guess we don't count till election time then the LIES start all over again!!!
And what group of "A" holes are you going to blame for voting this group in?

I'll wait to the Federal election, to see if Harper gets back in after all the "dodging & weaving" he's doing over Senate "Scandel"+ a multitude of other things he won't answer to, Then I'll let you know what "GROUP gets labelled!!!!!

fatstax · COBOURG, ONT

dualquadpete wrote:
Bruce Rossiter wrote:
dualquadpete wrote:
Ya that PI$$ED me off too, when i heard Harper cut a cheque to Israel + likely a few more countries while he's there & there are people right here in Cda. that need help that he cut off or made in so tough for UI or welfare??? Guess we don't count till election time then the LIES start all over again!!!
And what group of "A" holes are you going to blame for voting this group in?
I'll wait to the Federal election, to see if Harper gets back in after all the "dodging & weaving" he's doing over Senate "Scandel"+ a multitude of other things he won't answer to, Then I'll let you know what "GROUP gets labelled!!!!!

ask yourself this then, at the time we just got done with the liberals ripping us off for millions if not billions, they were so corrupt that they had to go. paul martin even had the nerve to close all the offshore tax loopholes except the one where his shipping company was registered. chretien should have been jailed for what he did to us. the ndp were hopeless and had no chance of forming a government. who else would we vote for? at least in the beginning harper did much of what he promised, including cutting the liberals beloved taxes. I agree now that they have become stale and the corruption is starting to creep into the cons as well. so who we voting for this time? an angry ndp guy who couldn't lead ants to a picnic or a liberal wussy who is riding his fathers name to 24 Sussex he thinks? I doubt it. harper is likely the lesser of the 3 evils at this time.

sasquatch · NORTH BAY, ONT

It all comes down to there really is no choice. (Not a choice that one can go and vote for a candidate that you have faith in to finally do some good and start turning things around.)

And then at election time when they start sucking up to the public, they wonder "Why" people have no respect for them?

Schnitz · MILTON, ONT

The OHIP system can't be blamed for doctors negligence. It can be blamed for poor treatment once a condition has been diagnosed.

My mother lives in Florida and absolutely despises the way they practice health care down there. Here's a pill. Go home.

There's a reason the pharmaceutical industry is the largest inn the world.