70 Nova is it or will it ever be a collectable or desired car? I am looking at a Yenko clone with a 434 small block. Any input would be appreciated thanks guys and gals.
-- Edited by Modfather on Friday 4th of April 2014 12:58:27 PM
I'm a Mopar guy, so I'll just compare the Nova to the Dart. It will always be collectible, but will never be as popular as the B and E body cars. In your case, Camaros, chevelles etc..
Being a clone may or may not increase it's value, it all depends on the buyer. I would say cars like these will hold their value a bit more in the future than cars like my street rod, because it caters to a bigger audience. Unless the car is a very rare original, any thing bought today will go down in value as time goes on because there's less and less people that are interested in the type of cars we're into, and also the younger generation will not have the disposable income we enjoyed. IMO
I hear you43 that is the reason I was asking. I am thinking that down the road a 60's or 70's muscle might sell better than my 49 or my 31. Unless the economy turns around I think we are all in for a big hit.
Modfather. I think some may disagree with me but I do believe the market bears more interest for 60/70s car than pre 50. I am not saying I dislike them but personally if I had cash to buy...my preference be a 60/70s car soley because the luxuries like heat, wipers, smoother ride, etc.
My ultimate dream car is a muscle car with modern suspension,drivetrain.
But hey thats just me. And I am under 50 years of age...
Clone cars as I have owned a few are fine. Its gives the oportunity to own something that really only means squat on paper. IMO.
As for Novas Id drive one over a Chevelle or Camaro....but thats personal preference
I like a nice early '70s Nova over a Camaro anyday, sorry Camaro guys, there are just too many out there. I don't know how much weight that holds from a Ford man, but I feel the same way about the 'Stangs - nice to look at, but just too many out there.
I'd say "Build what you want and if you're really concerned about the value of it, try to be more conservative on the cost of your build so you won't take such a huge hit if the market isn't there when you want to sell" So many guys build cars with the attitude of "nothing but the best" or "money is no object", then go into shock when the market won't allow them to recoup the costs.
Now, if you plan to keep it forever.....
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Collectable? Not in my eyes. I don't think of clones as truly "collectable". A "collectable" car (in my opinion) is something that will (most likely or hopefully) increase in value over time due to its rarity, like a real SS 396/375, or a real Yenko etc. A clone can be just as nice (or nicer) than a geniune, numbers matching Yenko, but it just doesn't have the collectable value to it. That's not to say a really nice clone won't be snapped up by someone to add to their collection.
DB I wasn't referring to the clone part just the Nova part we know a clone adds nothing to value, on the other hand I don't think it de-values a car either. Fordy that is exactly what I am doing, I am thinking on purchasing someone's poor judgement of an investment. This person has spent to many thousands on this car in 2009 and now needs fast cash. I am guilty of spending to much but I have also been very lucky and have always come out ahead or just break even.
I think the issue facing us in the future will be a continued lack of disposible income for a large number of people, there will always be buyers but the number of us in the hobby will decline over the next 20 years. Younger people will buy the cars they remember growing up. A good example are stock model A and T's, buyers for these have been few over the last 10-20 years. Buy what you can enjoy now but don't think of it as an investment for the future.
my wife and i bought a 70 nova once upon a time,pure impulse buy,price was right,enjoyed the car for a few years,put lots of work into it,but when it was time ,sold it for a profit,not our intention ,but loved the fact we ENJOYED the car,and made a few bucks,the details of the car will spoil the story,but the point is , buy what you want,if you want to invest in something,find a broker,play the stock market.
A wise ol' Hot Rodder told me once "If you want to make a small fotune in this Hot Rod game..... it's best to start out with a very large fortune!" (Also applies to dragracing)
-- Edited by Fordy Acres Car Farm on Friday 4th of April 2014 04:16:58 PM
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I have a 64 harley 74 ci panhead I bought in 78 and at one point mid eightys i could have sold it for 25k plus now if i was to sell it would be be lucky to get 14, to me its worth a million ,I would rather my son had it for a case of beer.
The Nova's sit in the same category as the Maverick, Comet, Cougar, Duster, Scamp...They are often over-looked, but those are the one's I prefer. Just too many Camaros, Firebirds, Mustangs, Darts, Barracudas, etc...out there, I like something different.
They don't bring as much $, as they don't have a great following.
As an investment, I'd probably would pass, depending on the price.
-- Edited by Gazoo on Friday 4th of April 2014 07:45:12 PM
one of those with a 4 speed hand shaker is plenty desirable, don't listen to dodge people for advice on GMs. its like going to the lumber yard for a t shirt. come to think of it my buddy pat has a 70 nova with a 500 horse small block, 4 speed standard, he recently was offered $12000 for it but turned it down, you stuff a decent motor innit, 4 gear, some nice salamis on the back you have a serious investment car that wont likely lose value unless you wrap it around a tree.
-- Edited by fatstax on Friday 4th of April 2014 07:54:08 PM
one of those with a 4 speed hand shaker is plenty desirable, don't listen to dodge people for advice on GMs. its like going to the lumber yard for a t shirt. come to think of it my buddy pat has a 70 nova with a 500 horse small block, 4 speed standard, he recently was offered $12000 for it but turned it down, you stuff a decent motor innit, 4 gear, some nice salamis on the back you have a serious investment car that wont likely lose value unless you wrap it around a tree.
-- Edited by fatstax on Friday 4th of April 2014 07:54:08 PM
Alright Chevy Boy! Are you saying the clone Yenko Nova, will bring in as much as a clone Yenko Camaro, and have as much of a following?
You consider $12K. as an investment value on a collectable car?
Yeah...I might be a Mopar guy, but I do go to auctions, and follow trends.
As much as I like the Nova myself, it just simply is not as desirable as the other Chevy's.
If you can get a really clean Yenko clone for 12K, go for it.
one of those with a 4 speed hand shaker is plenty desirable, don't listen to dodge people for advice on GMs. its like going to the lumber yard for a t shirt. come to think of it my buddy pat has a 70 nova with a 500 horse small block, 4 speed standard, he recently was offered $12000 for it but turned it down, you stuff a decent motor innit, 4 gear, some nice salamis on the back you have a serious investment car that wont likely lose value unless you wrap it around a tree.
-- Edited by fatstax on Friday 4th of April 2014 07:54:08 PM
Alright Chevy Boy! Are you saying the clone Yenko Nova, will bring in as much as a clone Yenko Camaro, and have as much of a following?
You consider $12K. as an investment value on a collectable car?
Yeah...I might be a Mopar guy, but I do go to auctions, and follow trends.
As much as I like the Nova myself, it just simply is not as desirable as the other Chevy's.
If you can get a really clean Yenko clone for 12K, go for it.
its just an example, I know pat doesn't have 12000 into his car but ive seen that style of nova go for decent bucks, those cars have a niche following that some people are not aware of. Camaros are not as desirable as one might think, I hate them to be honest, ugly as sin. I would take the nova over the Camaro any day
I think you should pass .Not trying to be a wize ass here but it would seem if you have to put this much thought into it then its not for you .Investment wise everybody knows we never get back what we put into them. If it grabs you and you and you can't sleep thinking about it and you have the cash ,go for it . Otherwise pass and wite till something jumps out and says buy me. Ed
i don t know much about cars .........but for a car to be call clone .........i would think you can only clone a car that existed to start with
since yenko nova were only offered in 68 and 69 and all had the 427 big block (no small block) but you can disregard this info if you want .........same as i already have a 71 nova ....and 71 350 was the biggest engine you could have in them that year ...i can put a 396 easy but i can t say or advertise it s a clone they never build any
i can put all the SS badges on my nova but it still won t be an SS
and everybody knows that the Real die hard chevy guy ..won t spend a dime or even look at an ad if it don t say SS if it ain t a SS it s only good for parts
-- Edited by 56loser on Friday 4th of April 2014 09:20:45 PM
If you really like it and end up keeping it forever it doesn't matter if it is a deal or not.
To some this doesn't matter but to me it's a big thing that it's '72 or older.
I wouldn't buy a '73 or newer other than a driver IMO
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i don t know much about cars .........but for a car to be call clone .........i would think you can only clone a car that existed to start with
since yenko nova were only offered in 68 and 69 and all had the 427 big block (no small block) but you can disregard this info if you want .........same as i already have a 71 nova ....and 71 350 was the biggest engine you could have in them that year ...i can put a 396 easy but i can t say or advertise it s a clone they never build any
Actually Yenko did have a small block Nova in 1970. It was called the Yenko Deuce and powered by an LT1 engine.
In 1970, the Clean Air Act of 1970 changed the direction of Yenko's creations. This new national legislation, combined with ultra-high-cost performance car insurance woes, made Don Yenko counter with the 1970 LT1 Z/28 350-powered Yenko Deuce Nova.It was a COPO, and it was advertised as a "mini musclecar." It supposedly flew under the performance car insurance premium radar.
Total '70 Yenko Deuce sales were said to be 175 according to "Super Chevy" magazine. The car features a Z/28 Camaro LT1 Corvette 350 engine, a Muncie 4-speed manual, F41 sport suspension and a 12-bolt differential with a 4.10:1 posi-traction. Rally wheels without trim rings were also part of the base package.
Sales
Sold at Barrett-Jackon's 2009 Scottsdale Auction for $110,000 USD. Described as "1 of 175 built and 1 of 25 with a silver exterior. Features the correct Z/28 Camaro LT1 350/360hp V8 with Muncie 4-speed, F41 suspension and a 12-bolt 4.10 posi rear. Documented with Yenko Inventory List, COPO Connection Cert and a portion of Build Sheet
-- Edited by DB Cooper on Saturday 5th of April 2014 07:26:53 AM
Of course it will. Sought after in any form as long as it has 2 doors and pre-73. Virtually any GM past 72 got hit hard with the fugly stick and cant be given away save for a very few models in later decades.
Of course it will. Sought after in any form as long as it has 2 doors and pre-73. Virtually any GM past 72 got hit hard with the fugly stick and cant be given away save for a very few models in later decades.
Ditto for Mopar (pre-72) and Ford (Pre-71)
By 73, it was all over
I agree. Nova's are very sought after cars, especially with V8's and 4 speeds.
Of course it will. Sought after in any form as long as it has 2 doors and pre-73. Virtually any GM past 72 got hit hard with the fugly stick and cant be given away save for a very few models in later decades.
Ditto for Mopar (pre-72) and Ford (Pre-71)
By 73, it was all over
I agree. Nova's are very sought after cars, especially with V8's and 4 speeds.
Agreed. Actually, the smaller bodied cars with small blocks and 4spds are the quintessential muscle cars for me. Darts, Dusters, Novas, Falcons, Comets early Chevelles (64-65)
Sold at Barrett-Jackon's 2009 Scottsdale Auction for $110,000 USD. Described as "1 of 175 built and 1 of 25 with a silver exterior. Features the correct Z/28 Camaro LT1 350/360hp V8 with Muncie 4-speed, F41 suspension and a 12-bolt 4.10 posi rear. Documented with Yenko Inventory List, COPO Connection Cert and a portion of Build Sheet
