What Do You Think it Is #3

123pugsy · MARKHAM, ONT

What Do You Think it Is #3

poncho62 · ADMINISTRATOR

Square bottle capper

hemi43 · ONTARIO

poncho62 wrote:
Square bottle capper

Can't be !! Doesn't say "Made in Germany" !!

slim · DUNDAS, ONT

Its a small hand press/punch - the dies

hemi43 · ONTARIO

slim wrote:
Its a small hand press/punch - the dies

Not enough leverage for that. Looks like the "Wrought Iron Range Co" used to make industrial stoves back in the 1800s, so it may be some lever for the ash pan or something.

I sure this old piece of Canadian history will end up being cut up for some stupid shifter handle in a Rat Rod or something.

teejay99 · BELLE RIVER, ONT

wine bottle corker

slim · DUNDAS, ONT

hemi43 wrote:
slim wrote:
Its a small hand press/punch - the dies
Not enough leverage for that. Looks like the "Wrought Iron Range Co" used to make industrial stoves back in the 1800s, so it may be some lever for the ash pan or something.
I sure this old piece of Canadian history will end up being cut up for some stupid shifter handle in a Rat Rod or something.

It looks to be a toggle with two free ends. I think you would be surprised by the little thing. The thickness of the slide bed would indicate some force. setting rivets or punching small holes in 18 gauge wouldn't be a problem

DaveM · ONTARIO

Or embossing these award plaques into thin brass and aluminum.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-1894-Wrought-Iron-Range-Co-California-Midwinter-International-Exposition-/251510422071

fatstax · COBOURG, ONT

seems we have a winner, release the balloons!

58Chev · ETOBICOKE, ONT

Make a great beer can crusher.

just sayin

69SS454 · MILTON, ONT

Used to force round objects into square holes

hemi43 · ONTARIO

Not enough leverage to emboss those plaques. Look where the pivot point is !! You would only have 2 maybe 2 1/2 times mechanical advantage which would be around 300 LBS of force. Setting rivets or embossing would take many times that.

I wonder if this company electrical disconnects? Might be the mechanicals of a switch with the contacts missing.

-- Edited by hemi43 on Thursday 24th of April 2014 08:49:24 AM

slim · DUNDAS, ONT

If you have 300 pounds leverage with a 12 inch stroke and the die is making contact within the last 1/2" a single free end toggle will give you 1200 pounds double that if both ends are free. Keep in mind that you have to work close to the end of the stroke or force drops rapidly as you move away

flatblack55delivery · PORT HOPE, ONT

Be nice to see the dies that are missing. If the leverage is low maybe it is used somehow in the food industry,coring,peeling or jucing. Ed

fatstax · COBOURG, ONT

if its pressing brass or aluminum it would be more than enough force. dave is right.

hemi43 · ONTARIO

fatstax wrote:
if its pressing brass or aluminum it would be more than enough force. dave is right.

No it's not !! I'm a die maker !! You'd be amazed how much pressure is needed.

hemi43 · ONTARIO

slim wrote:
If you have 300 pounds leverage with a 12 inch stroke and the die is making contact within the last 1/2" a single free end toggle will give you 1200 pounds double that if both ends are free. Keep in mind that you have to work close to the end of the stroke or force drops rapidly as you move away

Look where the pivot is !! It's a simple lever !! With the operator pulling with 100lbs of force, the maximum pressure will be about 250LBS. It's not like a cam lock.

DB Cooper · ONTARIO

That is used in the food industry. Ever been to a country fair and seen the people selling candy apples, drink, and fudge? That unit is obviously a fudge packer.

Gazoo · BADEN, ONT

It's an empty beer can crusher, for recycling.

123pugsy · MARKHAM, ONT

Wow. 17 replies in a couple of hours?
Doesn't anyone work around here? I must be doing something wrong.

123pugsy · MARKHAM, ONT

flatblack55delivery wrote:
Be nice to see the dies that are missing. If the leverage is low maybe it is used somehow in the food industry,coring,peeling or jucing. Ed

Interesting thought.

It came out of a restaurant equipment dealers warehouse.

123pugsy · MARKHAM, ONT

DB Cooper wrote:
That is used in the food industry. Ever been to a country fair and seen the people selling candy apples, drink, and fudge? That unit is obviously a fudge packer.

Read above. The dealer was located on King St, not Church St.

Gazoo · BADEN, ONT

123pugsy wrote:
flatblack55delivery wrote:
Be nice to see the dies that are missing. If the leverage is low maybe it is used somehow in the food industry,coring,peeling or jucing. Ed

Interesting thought.
It came out of a restaurant equipment dealers warehouse.

For pressing potatoes, dice them into fries.

-- Edited by Gazoo on Thursday 24th of April 2014 10:15:57 AM

fatstax · COBOURG, ONT

hemi43 wrote:
fatstax wrote:
if its pressing brass or aluminum it would be more than enough force. dave is right.
No it's not !! I'm a die maker !! You'd be amazed how much pressure is needed.

i know very well what it takes to emboss brass, you mean to tell me it takes huge amounts of force to emboss an 18 ga sheet of brass of that size? that device would be more then enough for that purpose. do you actually know anything beyond what you read on the internet?

fatchuk · ST MARYS, ONTARIO

It's a French fry press ..Haven't you guys ever seen the press they make fries in Quebec fry trucks..

hemi43 · ONTARIO

fatstax wrote:
hemi43 wrote:
fatstax wrote:
if its pressing brass or aluminum it would be more than enough force. dave is right.
No it's not !! I'm a die maker !! You'd be amazed how much pressure is needed.
i know very well what it takes to emboss brass, you mean to tell me it takes huge amounts of force to emboss an 18 ga sheet of brass of that size? that device would be more then enough for that purpose. do you actually know anything beyond what you read on the internet?

OK smarty pants !! Prove to us how much you know. What is the tonnage required to emboss the plate above? BTW, they wouldn't have used 18 ga !! I'll let you use a calculator for your answer. I'll give you a hint !! It's a hell of a lot more than 300 lbs !! LOL

-- Edited by hemi43 on Thursday 24th of April 2014 11:24:40 AM

58Chev · ETOBICOKE, ONT

123pugsy wrote:
Wow. 17 replies in a couple of hours?
Doesn't anyone work around here? I must be doing something wrong.

Work?? What's that?

I sit at my desk all day long with nothing better to do then surf the net.. biggrin

fatchuk · ST MARYS, ONTARIO

I sit at my desk all day long with nothing better to do then surf the net.. biggrin

You must have a government job..

jarvis1 · COBBLE HILL, BC

To press that piece of material with that detail would take more pressure than that thing can produce.
I'm with Fatchuk and Gazoo on the chip maker.
When I was a young lad I worked in a fish & chip shop peeling spuds and cutting them with a tool like this. There was a grid that was across that square hole and you put the spud on it, pulled the lever down and the chips fell in to a pail of water.

-- Edited by jarvis1 on Thursday 24th of April 2014 02:28:12 PM

58Chev · ETOBICOKE, ONT

fatchuk wrote:
I sit at my desk all day long with nothing better to do then surf the net..

You must have a government job..

OH do I wish it were a Gov job, then I'd be all set for retirement. biggrin unfortunately it's in the private sector.

fatstax · COBOURG, ONT

first its not a food machine, its made of metal, not stainless, even old equipment like that was still brass or stainless back then. as well it has machined guides so i doubt that level of machining is or ruggedeness required for a french fry slicer. that tag is more like 24 or 26 ga brass not 18 so i was a bit off on that. that press could easily emboss a 4" x 4" square of brass even to that detail.

hemi43 · ONTARIO

fatstax wrote:
first its not a food machine, its made of metal, not stainless, even old equipment like that was still brass or stainless back then. as well it has machined guides so i doubt that level of machining is or ruggedeness required for a french fry slicer. that tag is more like 24 or 26 ga brass not 18 so i was a bit off on that. that press could easily emboss a 4" x 4" square of brass even to that detail.

OK, so you admit you were wrong on the material thickness. Good for you !! You get a star !!

Now calculate the tonnage needed to emboss all that detail into 26 ga brass !! I'll give you another star if you even get the answer within 500 lbs.

I'll anxiously be waiting for your answer . You said "I know very well what it takes to emboss brass", so prove it !!

-- Edited by hemi43 on Thursday 24th of April 2014 02:13:52 PM

jarvis1 · COBBLE HILL, BC

fatstax wrote:
first its not a food machine, its made of metal, not stainless, even old equipment like that was still brass or stainless back then. as well it has machined guides so i doubt that level of machining is or ruggedeness required for a french fry slicer. that tag is more like 24 or 26 ga brass not 18 so i was a bit off on that. that press could easily emboss a 4" x 4" square of brass even to that detail.

Back then everything was made of cast iron. If it got dirty, you cleaned it. Stainless was a luxury for making tools.

Explain how the moving parts would go up and down with out those guides.

It's rugged because it's cast iron. Look at a Model A four banger then look at today's four cylinder engines, lots smaller now.

fatstax · COBOURG, ONT

i dont really care hemi, im not a mathemetician. besides any answer i would give you would say was wrong as i doubt you have any idea either so i wont even bother. but to enlighten you, there are many variables involved i so i dont see how a very accurate caculation could even be done, theres the speed of the press, the profile of the dies, temperature, etc. go find the answer on the internet so you can sound smart.

fatstax · COBOURG, ONT

jarvis1 wrote:
fatstax wrote:
first its not a food machine, its made of metal, not stainless, even old equipment like that was still brass or stainless back then. as well it has machined guides so i doubt that level of machining is or ruggedeness required for a french fry slicer. that tag is more like 24 or 26 ga brass not 18 so i was a bit off on that. that press could easily emboss a 4" x 4" square of brass even to that detail.
Back then everything was made of cast iron. If it got dirty, you cleaned it. Stainless was a luxury for making tools.
Explain how the moving parts would go up and down with out those guides.
It's rugged because it's cast iron. Look at a Model A four banger then look at today's four cylinder engines, lots smaller now.

i would say its a wee bit too rugged for simply cutting food.

fatstax · COBOURG, ONT

to me it looks like it has no actual purpose, you bought it and simply put whatever die in it you wanted. who knows as i cant find anything online about such a device so far.

fatchuk · ST MARYS, ONTARIO

Here it as A picture of it with the chip maker die installed..

french fry maker.jpg

-- Edited by fatchuk on Thursday 24th of April 2014 03:04:14 PM

fatstax · COBOURG, ONT

that must be what its for then. too bad no chip trucks are open around here yet, im craving some greasy old fries

hemi43 · ONTARIO

I wonder if it embosses "McCain" on all the fries too??

Mr Samis · BRIGHTON, ONT

Do you have a picture with the handle down?

123pugsy · MARKHAM, ONT

Alright! Bring on the spuds. Time to make fries.

No pic with the handle down. The spring pulls it back up.

Anyone want a shift handle for their rat rod? Or perhaps a vintage french fry press?
The price is right. I could throw it in my truck and bring it to the meet.

Chris Stapley · CAMPBELLFORD, ONT

My turn to chime in, I have a French fry cutter from the fifties that I used in my fifties diner and it was made of cast iron with a removeable cutter made of an aluminum frame and stainless steel inserted grid for the actual cutting edge. I have cut and sold hundreds of thousands of fries with that miserable thing.. I believe this is what it is as well,simply missing the cutting dies..

fatstax wrote:
first its not a food machine, its made of metal, not stainless, even old equipment like that was still brass or stainless back then. as well it has machined guides so i doubt that level of machining is or ruggedeness required for a french fry slicer. that tag is more like 24 or 26 ga brass not 18 so i was a bit off on that. that press could easily emboss a 4" x 4" square of brass even to that detail.

69SS454 · MILTON, ONT

69SS454 wrote:
Used to force round objects into square holes

So I was right then

hemi43 · ONTARIO

69SS454 wrote:
69SS454 wrote:
Used to force round objects into square holes
So I was right then

HAHAHA !! Yes you were !! biggrin biggrin biggrin

123pugsy · MARKHAM, ONT

69SS454 wrote:
69SS454 wrote:
Used to force round objects into square holes
So I was right then

No doubt about it. Exactly right!

Gazoo · BADEN, ONT

What? No prize for getting it right!
That's it, I'm done playing this game.

Fordy Acres Car Farm · DORCHESTER, ONT

hemi43 wrote:
I wonder if it embosses "McCain" on all the fries too??

Not nearly enough pressure to emboss "McCain" on those fries!!!!

123pugsy · MARKHAM, ONT

Gazoo wrote:
What? No prize for getting it right!
That's it, I'm done playing this game.

The prize IS the fry press.

Hey fatchuk. I can bring it to the meet if you want to start your fry cutting career. A little bit of clean up, paint and I guess a new set of cutting dies, well maybe a french fry truck would help, I guess a license and a place to park the truck, and well customers would help....

Oh forget it, it's a rat rod shift handle.

Up for grabs, anyone want it?

hemi43 · ONTARIO

I sure hope it doesn't get wasted on a rat rod !!

Still a useful item even if it's not used for making fries.

Fordy Acres Car Farm · DORCHESTER, ONT

fatstax wrote:
first its not a food machine, its made of metal, not stainless, even old equipment like that was still brass or stainless back then. as well it has machined guides so i doubt that level of machining is or ruggedeness required for a french fry slicer. that tag is more like 24 or 26 ga brass not 18 so i was a bit off on that. that press could easily emboss a 4" x 4" square of brass even to that detail.

Stainless is metal. Brass is metal. Aluminum is metal. Steel is metal. Iron is metal.