Finaly Andrea gets off the pot !!!

fatchuk · ST MARYS, ONTARIO

Finaly Andrea gets off the pot !!!

bmw2002e3 · ST MARY'S, ONT

Hahaha. I just wandered over here after seeing the news. Not familiar with Ontario Politics, other than the guys in power right now are NFG.

Lots of catching up to do.

hemi43 · ONTARIO

bmw2002e3 wrote:
Hahaha. I just wandered over here after seeing the news. Not familiar with Ontario Politics, other than the guys in power right now are NFG.

Lots of catching up to do.

All of them are NFG !! What we need is a new smaller Government. One that doesn't try to control every aspect of our lives right down to minute details. I give it 5 to 10 years and there will be violent uprisings here in Canada and the US, just like the rest of this f-up world.

fatchuk · ST MARYS, ONTARIO

Never happen Dan.. Canadians are just a bunch of apathetic whiners ...who are unable to find the polling booth in their riding.. disbelief

-- Edited by fatchuk on Friday 2nd of May 2014 11:20:08 AM

wuga · PRINCE EDWARD COUNTY, ONT

I concur, lets get rid of wind turbines and in fact everything Liberal that has green attached to it. I'm not against saving the world, but let's think this through and stop all the knee jerk reactions. Don't move any more gas plants, we can't afford it. Get rid of out of date e-tests and forget safety inspections except at time of sale. Stop spending our money like it is yours and start listening to your constituents. There are probably dozens more things but now I have to start thinking where to cast my vote.

Warren

hemi43 · ONTARIO

fatchuk wrote:
Never happen Dan.. Canadians are just a bunch of apathetic whiners ...who are unable to find the polling booth in their riding..

-- Edited by fatchuk on Friday 2nd of May 2014 11:20:08 AM

Give it time Chuk !! Things hare not bad enough, yet ! It will be our Kids or most likely our Grandkids that will be in a fight. Things can only deteriorate so much before someone takes action. There's no good paying jobs anymore, homes are not affordable for the upcoming generation and basic things to survive like food, clothing and fuel will use up all of one's earnings that there will be nothing left for quality of life. They're pushing us into a corner bit by bit, or should I say, 10 cents here, and 10 cents there. My weekly paycheck has gone down since 2008, yet EVERYTHING is going up in price. Inflation is OK as long as wages keep pace. It's inevitable.

parklane · St THOMAS, ONT

Have to agree with Chuk on this one. Canadians are nowhere near as aggressive as our southern friends. Passive, lethargic, lazy, sniveling wyners, as I see them. Too damn lazy to vote, but bitch at who ever is in power. Give me a break already.

51 Styline · NIAGARA FALLS, ONT

I am looking forward to an election ,, and it,s about time. The fiberals have cost us a fortune and wynnie hasn,t learned a dam thing. She still thinks spending , is the only way to go.
My problem is who do i vote for as i , like a lot in Niagara have no use for Hudak. He seems to get a bad case of " foot in mouth " disease at election time . I,m not sure about Horwath, I still remember Bob Ray.

fatchuk · ST MARYS, ONTARIO

For Me I am not going to risk my vote ..I am going with the Conservatives.. They promised to kill E-tests and College of trades and bill 173..Thats a good start that affects me and my wallet directly.. I do understand what your saying about Tim..He is a little hard to like personality-wise..and has a stupid dumb-azz smile..But I am not going to vote based on looks, personality, or rock-star impulse voters.. I am afraid if we split the vote we could end up with a another Liberal Government ..This is an election that I am hoping a lot are just so fed up with all the corruption, scandals and spending and the green energy act crap, the turbines and Solar.. I know you guys can add a ton of liberal crap and scandals to my list .. I do hope most Ontario voters will just hold their nose and vote for the Conservatives so we get a majority Government and then they better do what they say they will..Or I will personally give Hudak a vasectomy With a rusty knife from fatstax's shop..guaranteed to bring a really bad infection...I am not crazy about Hudak although the personal stuff I have researched on him says he is a decent family man and in my view he is the least evil-one and if they do what they say, I will be better off under the conservatives than any of the others..Politics are and always will be a contentious/ arguable and highly hot subject as most are pretty damn passionate about their politics ..So I won't argue with anybody about theirs..This is just my view..I am voting Conservative..

hemi43 · ONTARIO

parklane wrote:
Have to agree with Chuk on this one. Canadians are nowhere near as aggressive as our southern friends. Passive, lethargic, lazy, sniveling wyners, as I see them. Too damn lazy to vote, but bitch at who ever is in power. Give me a break already.

Aren't you Canadian?

dualquadpete · BLACKSTOCK, ONT

We have to worry about toronto electing the GO0F BALLS again!!! thats there strong hold!!! can't wait till a LYING Fiberal come s to the door, they had better duck as the blast they get from me will be heard all over town!!!!!

DJD · SCARBOROUGH, ONT

it's the trendy in stylers and immigrants in T-O that are the problem

so tired of hearing it's toronto's fault when it's just the flakes in toronto that are the problem

these types probably don't even have a clue there is a world to the east and west of young st

I still say the only real solution is a new 4th party
(though I still and will always think the party system is the true root of our political problems)

51 Styline · NIAGARA FALLS, ONT

dualquadpete wrote:
We have to worry about toronto electing the GO0F BALLS again!!! thats there strong hold!!! can't wait till a LYING Fiberal come s to the door, they had better duck as the blast they get from me will be heard all over town!!!!!

I,m with you there. When we had our by election here the local fiberal candidate came to my door for support. BIG MISTAKE ,,,, and you know i never saw another fiberal canvasser. Don,t mess with a peed off senior on a fixed income.

hemi43 · ONTARIO

DJD wrote:
it's the trendy in stylers and immigrants in T-O that are the problem

so tired of hearing it's toronto's fault when it's just the flakes in toronto that are the problem

these types probably don't even have a clue there is a world to the east and west of young st

I still say the only real solution is a new 4th party
(though I still and will always think the party system is the true root of our political problems)

I totally agree !! I see it as a double edged sword. New Canadians seem to get involved and interested in politics, and older Canadians have become too complacent. If we don't get our act together, our ways of life will change to suit theirs.

DavidP · BRADFORD, ONT

I just wish the Conservatives would pick another leader before the election ...

After what the Fiberals have been getting away with ... they would do a lot better without Tim Hudak ... smile

IMHO

51 Styline · NIAGARA FALLS, ONT

DavidP wrote:
I just wish the Conservatives would pick another leader before the election ...
After what the Fiberals have been getting away with ... they would do a lot better without Tim Hudak ...
IMHO

Even Hudaks home town rejected him in the by election. The comment page in the local "newspaper" was all negative towards him. I can only hope he has learned from the last election.

Sniper · WATFORD, ONT

DavidP wrote:
I just wish the Conservatives would pick another leader before the election ...
After what the Fiberals have been getting away with ... they would do a lot better without Tim Hudak ...
IMHO

I agree with that statement completely, Hudak and some of the things he's been spouting for the last while make it hard to cosy up to him. But he still seems to be of the lesser evil. Horvath just goes with the best bid that gets her what she wants. They all still think they need to govern to us. The job is really to govern for us.

51 Styline · NIAGARA FALLS, ONT

Sniper wrote:
DavidP wrote:
I just wish the Conservatives would pick another leader before the election ...
After what the Fiberals have been getting away with ... they would do a lot better without Tim Hudak ...
IMHO
I agree with that statement completely, Hudak and some of the things he's been spouting for the last while make it hard to cosy up to him. But he still seems to be of the lesser evil. Horvath just goes with the best bid that gets her what she wants. They all still think they need to govern to us. The job is really to govern for us.

They seem to forget that we elect them to represent us and our views, not some power hungry buerocrat with their own agenda. We, the voters, should insist on the power of recall. It,s about time things changed in the BIG SMOKE and Oddywawa.

Northernforce · CAMBRIDGE, ONT

Just google Wisconsin 2011 and that will be Ontario if Hudak gets in.Say good bye to good paying jobs both in the private and public sectors.Sure Hudac will make more jobs-like China- paying minimum wage. The politicians will tell you what you want to hear before the election day-then when elected(whoever it is)-will bring out their real agenda.
Keep on cruising!!!
Dave

workin class · FINCH, ONT

If you don't like the conservatives please do the rest of the province a huge favor and don't vote at all. The non unionized working class will not be able to survive another socialist government.

Bruce Rossiter · TORONTO, ONT

Here we go again with the "it's all Toronto's fault" comments.

As I have pointed out before, ALL residents of Toronto do not vote for the LIberals. Some of us vote for other parties of our choice.

Here's a link to the last set of election results that will prove that some of us do actually vote for different parties.
globalnews.ca/news/1306656/ontarios-voting-again-here-are-2011-election-results-poll-by-poll/

Now this will come as a huge shock to one person who constantly bashes Toronto's election results. Look at the election results in your home riding and see how many of your fellow neighbours and friends voted for a different party than you had hoped for.

51 Styline · NIAGARA FALLS, ONT

Northernforce wrote:
Just google Wisconsin 2011 and that will be Ontario if Hudak gets in.Say good bye to good paying jobs both in the private and public sectors.Sure Hudac will make more jobs-like China- paying minimum wage. The politicians will tell you what you want to hear before the election day-then when elected(whoever it is)-will bring out their real agenda.
Keep on cruising!!!
Dave

Uh hellllloooo . I guess you haven,t been to the Niagara area but the only jobs down here are minimum wage. Conservatives OK,d the casinos and the power tunnel , bonus.

Then came Dalton. Game over for Niagara. Liberals did us for 8 years so it,s time for a change.

51 Styline · NIAGARA FALLS, ONT

workin class wrote:
If you don't like the conservatives please do the rest of the province a huge favor and don't vote at all. The non unionized working class will not be able to survive another socialist government.

BUT. We have to vote. If we don,t vote we can,t bitch.

flatblack55delivery · PORT HOPE, ONT

Well how do you like this Canadian. As I have said before here If you don't like Canada the way it is than you got 2 choices Take all your wonderful well thought out ideas that you have brought forward at council meetings and all candidates debaits and talk to you reps or choice number 2 is what I have said before Get the Fu-k out . Do not ever call me as a Canadian a sniveling whiner .I am not apathetic. We don't shoot our politicans here we vote them out and that is what makes our country great.We have 2 families on ths site who have chosen Canada I am sure they had other choices.If the States is so great ,I belive a bankrupt Detroit is looking for people and as I understand it, houses are cheap in Flint and Cleveland .For all you revolutionaries I hear they are looking for people in Seria ,The Ucraine,and The Sudan Bet you would fit right in with your tough talk. How are house prices in your area.Our economy is still better than most .We got thru some tough times fairly well off concidering what happened other places. Nothing is perfect,there is a lot wrong and a lot to be fixed and hopefully there will be some new ideas. Are you working for a candidate ,Do you even know there names in your area, Do you know any of the parties platforms.Don't give me the old B.S. that they are all the same that is only said by the uninformed who's only knowlage of news comes from the comics or the sports page. I am really getting sick and tired of People with no pride in country mouthing off and draging others down with them . I will say it again,Do something to help in your area by taking your issues to debaits or candidates offices call there numbers or email them ideas you want them to put forward. Time has come for everyone to vote for the candidate not the party.Pick the one with similar views as yours. Doesn't matter if its independant ,or some way out there candidate pick the best individual for your area not the party. We should all be working toward proportional represintation in some form rather than party politics.Stop whining and actually get out there and make a difference. Ed

427CARL · CLINTON, ONT

Very good responses and opinions.....

We are in the midst of a few "hundred" wind turbines being built Hope they get pulled like the gas plants

Glad to see old pussy face go (of course she will get her lifetime Premier parachute like Dalton )

parklane · St THOMAS, ONT

flatblack55delivery wrote:
Well how do you like this Canadian. As I have said before here If you don't like Canada the way it is than you got 2 choices Take all your wonderful well thought out ideas that you have brought forward at council meetings and all candidates debaits and talk to you reps or choice number 2 is what I have said before Get the Fu-k out . Do not ever call me as a Canadian a sniveling whiner .I am not apathetic. We don't shoot our politicans here we vote them out and that is what makes our country great.We have 2 families on ths site who have chosen Canada I am sure they had other choices.If the States is so great ,I belive a bankrupt Detroit is looking for people and as I understand it, houses are cheap in Flint and Cleveland .For all you revolutionaries I hear they are looking for people in Seria ,The Ucraine,and The Sudan Bet you would fit right in with your tough talk. How are house prices in your area.Our economy is still better than most .We got thru some tough times fairly well off concidering what happened other places. Nothing is perfect,there is a lot wrong and a lot to be fixed and hopefully there will be some new ideas. Are you working for a candidate ,Do you even know there names in your area, Do you know any of the parties platforms.Don't give me the old B.S. that they are all the same that is only said by the uninformed who's only knowlage of news comes from the comics or the sports page. I am really getting sick and tired of People with no pride in country mouthing off and draging others down with them . I will say it again,Do something to help in your area by taking your issues to debaits or candidates offices call there numbers or email them ideas you want them to put forward. Time has come for everyone to vote for the candidate not the party.Pick the one with similar views as yours. Doesn't matter if its independant ,or some way out there candidate pick the best individual for your area not the party. We should all be working toward proportional represintation in some form rather than party politics.Stop whining and actually get out there and make a difference. Ed

Not sure, but I think this comment was directed towards me

Yes, I'm a Canadian, by choice I might add, but that doesn't change the fact, that in general, I stand by my post above. Sure, a few of us will talk about the dyck on here, or Tim's, or wherever, but that's as far as it goes. The only way that change will come, is by getting HUGE numbers of people to put up enough of a stink that the powers that be, HAVE TO LISTEN. If I was 20 years younger, I would raise some serious $hit with these clowns. But, what do I know? I'm just a 70 year old dumb ass pool dealer.

DJD · SCARBOROUGH, ONT

sadly , I think most working class adults are often to busy just trying to hold their own lives together much less take on trying to change the world

I know I am and I'm just sitting here trying to look after my father - have been going on 4 years now - I can't stray far from home and I can't be out more than a couple of hours at a time

thankfully I have friends that can drop in fairly regularly

I compleately support the idea of voteing based on personal merrit but what does that get me
just another rep who votes along the party lines when told to
democracy ?? - more like employment based on popularity
good for not much

the party system needs to go - the idea of an official opposition vs governing party is BS
all members should be independand and vote as such
if a bill passes into law or not shouldn't be some sort of contest - it should be made so because a majority of reps voted in favor of it regardless of their personal views or because of them
right vs wrong instead of we want / they want

is it just me or does K-W look like she just crawled outta pink floyd's the wall album ??

-- Edited by DJD on Saturday 3rd of May 2014 05:30:21 AM

Iwannagofast · ONTARIO

I e-mailed Hudaks office awhile back regarding the e-test / bill #173 bullsh*t. Here's the response:

Dear Mr. Mewhiney,

On behalf of Ontario PC Leader Tim Hudak, I want to thank you for your email
regarding the Drive Clean program. Tim appreciates you taking the time to
share your views on this program.

Reducing Drive Clean fees may be good enough for the Liberals and the NDP,
but it's not good enough for Ontario drivers who've been forced to fork over
their hard-earned money to pay for unnecessary emissions testing for years.
Cleaner cars and fuels have rendered Drive Clean redundant. The NDP and the
Liberals have signalled that they are willing to do whatever it takes to
keep this temporary program running indefinitely.

Drive Clean was set up with the very specific purpose of reducing vehicle
emissions that contribute to smog until advances in fuel efficiency and
standards caught up. The evidence shows that happened three years ago. From
1999 to 2010, the percentage of vehicles that failed emissions testing in
Ontario had dropped from 16% to 5%. With 95% of cars passing emissions
testing, the former Auditor General found in his 2012 report that the Drive
Clean program had had little to no impact on reducing smog. Instead of
listening to the Auditor General's advice and following the lead of other
jurisdictions that are phasing out their emissions-testing programs, like
B.C., the Liberals went in the opposite direction earlier this year by
introducing a new computerized emissions test that is less reliable and more
prone to error.

The Liberals made this move knowing that the program, which is supposed to
be revenue-neutral, had racked up a massive surplus - that's now $19
million!! Now, that the government has been caught red-handed fleecing
Ontario drivers, the Liberals and the NDP want to tinker around the edges of
the program to justify its existence. That's unacceptable. The Ontario PC
Caucus believes Drive Clean should be scrapped.

About 12,500 Ontario drivers have voiced their opposition to the province's
emissions-testing program by signing the Ontario PCs' online petition at
www.ScrapDriveClean.ca.

Thanks again for your email.

Susanna Campbell
Constituent Assistant
Office of Tim Hudak, MPP Niagara West - Glanbrook
Ontario PC Leader
Phone: 905.563.1755 | Fax: 905.563.1317

Never voted Liberal, never will. I too remember Rae days. Doesn't leave much.

Ontario's defecit is currently 11.7 BILLION dollars and the Liberals want to start an Ontario Pension Plan?? !! With what / who's money? As it is a lot of younger folks will never recieve their C.P.P - money they and their employers put away for retirement. Effing government needs a major overhaul. Start with eliminating the Senate. Old Boys rubber stamp club drawing millions off the tax payers, we don't need them.

-- Edited by Iwannagofast on Saturday 3rd of May 2014 10:52:40 AM

-- Edited by Iwannagofast on Saturday 3rd of May 2014 10:58:07 AM

slim · DUNDAS, ONT

True and lasting change only come with bloodshed .

We are not there yet.

Mc gimp and K Y would Look nice behind bars together though

Schnitz · MILTON, ONT

It's real easy for the idiots (PC's) that introduced the Drive Clean test to now bash it. It was bullshyt when it started and is still bullshyt today.

Now if they truly are willing to get rid of the Bill 173 AND the College of Trades as well, that alone will get my vote.
I'll be intently watching for them to give 'real concrete' answers to these issues when questioned. If they flinch or flop even a little the Fiberals will get my vote.
Better to deal with the devil you know than the devil you don't.

-- Edited by Schnitz on Saturday 3rd of May 2014 11:52:08 AM

Fast Elvis · LONDON, ONTARIO

Schnitz wrote:

Better to deal with the devil you know than the devil you don't.

-- Edited by Schnitz on Saturday 3rd of May 2014 11:52:08 AM

I can't afford that "devil".....considering the so called new provincial pension plan or should I call it what it really is, "salary tax" that the Liberals want to evoke on us tax payers with out even consulting us. If a 12 Billion dollar deficit, failed Green Energy act, major companies like Caterpillar, Kellogg's and Heninz leaving the prov, over a billion wasted on the gas plant issue plus how the Liberals stated that they wanted to fund medically necessary health care and then quickly delisted eye exams and physiotherapy out of OHIP......I could go on but one of my favourite broken promises was when McGinty was first elected..... he promised he wouldn't raise taxes and then turn around brought one of the highest tax increases in this provinces history not to mention the huge inflated costs of electricity over the past few years......so I believe it's definitely time for a big change......please get out there and vote and please get informed on the real issues.....we all desire much better representation then we have all received over these past years......bring back accountability.

51 Styline · NIAGARA FALLS, ONT

Fast Elvis wrote:
Schnitz wrote:

Better to deal with the devil you know than the devil you don't.

-- Edited by Schnitz on Saturday 3rd of May 2014 11:52:08 AM
I can't afford that "devil".....considering the so called new provincial pension plan or should I call it what it really is, "salary tax" that the Liberals want to evoke on us tax payers with out even consulting us. If a 12 Billion dollar deficit, failed Green Energy act, major companies like Caterpillar, Kellogg's and Heninz leaving the prov, over a billion wasted on the gas plant issue plus how the Liberals stated that they wanted to fund medically necessary health care and then quickly delisted eye exams and physiotherapy out of OHIP......I could go on but one of my favourite broken promises was when McGinty was first elected..... he promised he wouldn't raise taxes and then turn around brought one of the highest tax increases in this provinces history not to mention the huge inflated costs of electricity over the past few years......so I believe it's definitely time for a big change......please get out there and vote and please get informed on the real issues.....we all desire much better representation then we have all received over these past years......bring back accountability.

And lets not forget the HST which gets just about everything we purchase including gas which we continue to get ripped on every day.

parklane · St THOMAS, ONT

Iwannagofast wrote:
I e-mailed Hudaks office awhile back regarding the e-test / bill #173 bullsh*t. Here's the response:

Dear Mr. Mewhiney,

On behalf of Ontario PC Leader Tim Hudak, I want to thank you for your email
regarding the Drive Clean program. Tim appreciates you taking the time to
share your views on this program.

Reducing Drive Clean fees may be good enough for the Liberals and the NDP,
but it's not good enough for Ontario drivers who've been forced to fork over
their hard-earned money to pay for unnecessary emissions testing for years.
Cleaner cars and fuels have rendered Drive Clean redundant. The NDP and the
Liberals have signalled that they are willing to do whatever it takes to
keep this temporary program running indefinitely.

Drive Clean was set up with the very specific purpose of reducing vehicle
emissions that contribute to smog until advances in fuel efficiency and
standards caught up. The evidence shows that happened three years ago. From
1999 to 2010, the percentage of vehicles that failed emissions testing in
Ontario had dropped from 16% to 5%. With 95% of cars passing emissions
testing, the former Auditor General found in his 2012 report that the Drive
Clean program had had little to no impact on reducing smog. Instead of
listening to the Auditor General's advice and following the lead of other
jurisdictions that are phasing out their emissions-testing programs, like
B.C., the Liberals went in the opposite direction earlier this year by
introducing a new computerized emissions test that is less reliable and more
prone to error.

The Liberals made this move knowing that the program, which is supposed to
be revenue-neutral, had racked up a massive surplus - that's now $19
million!! Now, that the government has been caught red-handed fleecing
Ontario drivers, the Liberals and the NDP want to tinker around the edges of
the program to justify its existence. That's unacceptable. The Ontario PC
Caucus believes Drive Clean should be scrapped.

About 12,500 Ontario drivers have voiced their opposition to the province's
emissions-testing program by signing the Ontario PCs' online petition at
www.ScrapDriveClean.ca.

Thanks again for your email.

Susanna Campbell
Constituent Assistant
Office of Tim Hudak, MPP Niagara West - Glanbrook
Ontario PC Leader
Phone: 905.563.1755 | Fax: 905.563.1317

-- Edited by Iwannagofast on Saturday 3rd of May 2014 10:52:40 AM

-- Edited by Iwannagofast on Saturday 3rd of May 2014 10:58:07 AM

Unfourtunately, it doesn't say that the PC will scrap the Drive Clean program, only that the caucus 'BELIEVES' that it should be scraped.

51 Styline · NIAGARA FALLS, ONT

parklane wrote:
Iwannagofast wrote:
I e-mailed Hudaks office awhile back regarding the e-test / bill #173 bullsh*t. Here's the response:

Dear Mr. Mewhiney,

On behalf of Ontario PC Leader Tim Hudak, I want to thank you for your email
regarding the Drive Clean program. Tim appreciates you taking the time to
share your views on this program.

Reducing Drive Clean fees may be good enough for the Liberals and the NDP,
but it's not good enough for Ontario drivers who've been forced to fork over
their hard-earned money to pay for unnecessary emissions testing for years.
Cleaner cars and fuels have rendered Drive Clean redundant. The NDP and the
Liberals have signalled that they are willing to do whatever it takes to
keep this temporary program running indefinitely.

Drive Clean was set up with the very specific purpose of reducing vehicle
emissions that contribute to smog until advances in fuel efficiency and
standards caught up. The evidence shows that happened three years ago. From
1999 to 2010, the percentage of vehicles that failed emissions testing in
Ontario had dropped from 16% to 5%. With 95% of cars passing emissions
testing, the former Auditor General found in his 2012 report that the Drive
Clean program had had little to no impact on reducing smog. Instead of
listening to the Auditor General's advice and following the lead of other
jurisdictions that are phasing out their emissions-testing programs, like
B.C., the Liberals went in the opposite direction earlier this year by
introducing a new computerized emissions test that is less reliable and more
prone to error.

The Liberals made this move knowing that the program, which is supposed to
be revenue-neutral, had racked up a massive surplus - that's now $19
million!! Now, that the government has been caught red-handed fleecing
Ontario drivers, the Liberals and the NDP want to tinker around the edges of
the program to justify its existence. That's unacceptable. The Ontario PC
Caucus believes Drive Clean should be scrapped.

About 12,500 Ontario drivers have voiced their opposition to the province's
emissions-testing program by signing the Ontario PCs' online petition at
www.ScrapDriveClean.ca.

Thanks again for your email.

Susanna Campbell
Constituent Assistant
Office of Tim Hudak, MPP Niagara West - Glanbrook
Ontario PC Leader
Phone: 905.563.1755 | Fax: 905.563.1317

-- Edited by Iwannagofast on Saturday 3rd of May 2014 10:52:40 AM

-- Edited by Iwannagofast on Saturday 3rd of May 2014 10:58:07 AM
Unfourtunately, it doesn't say that the PC will scrap the Drive Clean program, only that the caucus 'BELIEVES' that it should be scraped.

What the opposition says to get elected is not always what they do after theyre elected, especially if theres money involved.

DJD · SCARBOROUGH, ONT

mm hst on heating oil

makes a nice 1100-1200 dollar oil bill every month this past winter
a 15% reduction in insurance rates - for one year , after the libs let them jack the rate by 30 somthing percent
cost of electricity - going up even more than the already inflated cost now
debt
scanndel

change only comes from bloodshed - Idono about that - ask a soviet - didn't work for them
we managed to become an independant nation without it - the americains - they're the ones that think someone needs to bleed to get things done

money in the right places changes everything - probably why the move is on to make sure "the common people" have little or none

the old saying money talks and BS walks is kinda backwards
more like BS keeps on talking and talking while the money walks or runs away

K-W and her "conversations" - while big industry packs up and moves would seem to be the best example of this

51 Styline · NIAGARA FALLS, ONT

DJD wrote:
mm hst on heating oil

makes a nice 1100-1200 dollar oil bill every month this past winter
a 15% reduction in insurance rates - for one year , after the libs let them jack the rate by 30 somthing percent
cost of electricity - going up even more than the already inflated cost now
debt
scanndel

change only comes from bloodshed - Idono about that - ask a soviet - didn't work for them
we managed to become an independant nation without it - the americains - they're the ones that think someone needs to bleed to get things done

money in the right places changes everything - probably why the move is on to make sure "the common people" have little or none

the old saying money talks and BS walks is kinda backwards
more like BS keeps on talking and talking while the money walks or runs away

K-W and her "conversations" - while big industry packs up and moves would seem to be the best example of this

Big industry packed up and moved years ago when "free trade " was implemented . How many hundreds of thousands of jobs went south to U S or Mexico. I know around here good paying jobs just dried up as industry went away . Another key factor was the cost of Hydro which i have a hard time figuring out because we produce it here.

DJD · SCARBOROUGH, ONT

I agree - free trade took the leash of but the situation now is chaseing buseness that chose to stay out

anyone remember ontario hydro?
and the ,mandate that it started with ? - to provide cheep power to residents and industry

yeah we need to bring that kind of thinking back

Fast Elvis · LONDON, ONTARIO

Love this poster......lol......can you say any more.

51 Styline · NIAGARA FALLS, ONT

Fast Elvis wrote:
Love this poster......lol......can you say any more.

Great poster. It says it all.

51 Styline · NIAGARA FALLS, ONT

DJD wrote:
I agree - free trade took the leash of but the situation now is chaseing buseness that chose to stay out

anyone remember ontario hydro?
and the ,mandate that it started with ? - to provide cheep power to residents and industry

yeah we need to bring that kind of thinking back

I,m not sure, { its an age thing) but if i remember correctly it was harris who changed the structure of Hydro against many who said it would be more expensive and

sited California and several other states tried a similar plan and it failed to bring rates down.

sasquatch · NORTH BAY, ONT

It was Mr Harris.

51 Styline · NIAGARA FALLS, ONT

sasquatch wrote:
It was Mr Harris.

IT WAS ? REALLY. I guess the mind isn,t the first thing to go.

Gazoo · BADEN, ONT

Dayum! That was a LOT of reading, whew!
Final words...Hopefully they will be gone, hopefully someone "capable and honest ", will replace them.
I really don't have much faith, in ANY politician ".", (That is a period between the quotation marks).

I'm just sick and tired of making ends meat, and volunteering to help people when I can, just to get kicked in the nuts for trying.

Just sayin', that's my view on our elected loosers.

Wish I would've stayed in school, and learned their trade. confuse

slim · DUNDAS, ONT

DJD wrote:
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change only comes from bloodshed - Idono about that - ask a soviet - didn't work for them
we managed to become an independant nation without it - the americains - they're the ones that think someone needs to bleed to get things done

We had our share of bloodletting though nothing on the scale of our neighbours to the south . Very few even know about the sea battles of hudson bay. If it wasn't for king George's charter to the company of adventurers Canada would not exist.

hemi43 · ONTARIO

slim wrote:
DJD wrote:

We had our share of bloodletting though nothing on the scale of our neighbours to the south . Very few even know about the sea battles of hudson bay. If it wasn't for king George's charter to the company of adventurers Canada would not exist.

I must have been sick from school that day!

DJD · SCARBOROUGH, ONT

no , ... no it's just another of the many things they don't bother to teach about our history
probably one of our problems ..

fatchuk · ST MARYS, ONTARIO

the wynne version of electricity rate relief

On April 24, 2014, Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne announced that the Debt
Retirement Charge (DRC), a 0.7 cent-per-kWh charge on Ontario electricity
consumers, would be terminated at the end of 2015. The Premier described
this as a move that would "bring significant rate relief". Is this true?

As background, the 0.7 cent charge may sound small, but it isn't. It
collects about $900 million every year from Ontario electricity ratepayers.
The charge was introduced in 2002 to pay for the "residual stranded debt"
of the former Ontario Hydro. The original residual stranded debt, back in
1998, was $7.8 billion.

In the 2012 Ontario Budget, it was revealed that, up to March 31, 2012, the
Ontario government (through the Ontario Electricity Financial Corporation)
had collected $12.8 billion dollars as a result of the debt retirement
charge. In the fall 2013 Update, the Finance Minister reported that,
although about $1.5 billion more had been collected to that point in time,
the remaining residual stranded debt was $11.3 billion. So, after paying
about $14.3 billion to retire a $7.8 billion debt, Ontario ratepayers still
owed $11.3 billion. This amazing arithmetic is due to the Ontario
government's addition of interest to the original amount owing and its
switching of certain costs incurred by Ontario Hydro's successor companies
unto the "residual stranded debt account".

This is a story that the Ontario Auditor General may someday want to
investigate. Let us return, however, to the claim that removing the DRC
will result in significant rate relief.

By the end of December, 2015, the DRC will have collected $15.5 billion, so
Ontario ratepayers will have paid almost double the original $7.8 billion
owing.

Just one year ago, the Ontario Energy Board approved an electricity (i.e.
commodity charge) rate increase that cost the average ratepayer $3.63 a
month, or $44 annually. It followed that with another increase in November
2013 raising rates by $4.00 per month, or $48 annually. Then, on April 1,
2014, there was another increase of $2.83 per month, or $34 annually. Those
increases did not include rate increases for the "delivery" or "regulatory"
lines on our electricity bills, which also increased. So, in just one year,
the electricity rates jumped $126 annually and Wynne's announced rate
relief won't happen until the end of 2015.

2015 just happens to also be the year the Ontario Clean Energy Benefit
(OECB) ends. The OECB reduces the average bill by $13.30 per month or $160
annually. Ontario's taxpayers pay it, so it is a subsidy from residents'
right pockets to their left pockets. The average bill (electricity, or
"commodity charge " only) at the start of 2016 will thus be $286 higher on
an annual basis than it was as of April 30, 2013. Adding the HST brings the
increase to $323. There will also be further increases from the Ontario
Energy Board's scheduled rate setting on December 1, 2014, May 1, 2015 and
December 1, 2015; those will add a minimum of $100 to homeowners'
electricity costs.

In other words, the average residential bill will have jumped by
approximately $425 per year. That represents a 25% increase in electricity
rates in two years before Premier Wynne's "significant rate relief" of $160
per year occurs. Just as the DRC is ended, another scheduled charge from
the recent announcement (aimed at reducing energy poverty) of $11 will be
added.

By December 1, 2015, our electricity costs for residences will be charged
out at over 21 cents per kilowatt (kWh). That will only get worse as more
contracted wind and solar plants enter the grid. Add in expected increases
in the "delivery" and "regulatory" lines, tack on HST and all-in costs will
be in the neighbourhood of 30 cents a kWh! Ontario residents will be
challenging Germany and Denmark for the privilege of having the most
expensive rates in the industrialized world.

Some relief!.. so get out and Vote for Wynne if you would more wind-farms, and more hydro debt..

every bit of trash they spend and waste gets moved over and added to your hydro bill and that will

continue as long as the Liberal crooks are wasting our money on power trips and dreams..

I wish I could find a way to stick one of 150volt transformers up her ........!!!!!!

I can't do that but I will sure be volunteering and supporting my Consrvative Canditate

and is not because I am crazy about Hudak..But I hate McWynne way way more than Hudak..

sasquatch · NORTH BAY, ONT

The debt retirement plan:????

Doesn't anyone remember hydro one's CEO Eleanor Clitheroe, who was being paid a salary of 2.2 million per year, and had ran up expenses for transportation of her kids and nanny to the tune of 330,000 dollars, plus,,,,,,,, her claiming $214,000 for her car expenses????????????????

Just google her, "Eleanor Clitheroe CEO hydro."

flatblack55delivery · PORT HOPE, ONT

Way to go Chuk if more people got involved like that we might be in better shape now.Not happy with the new manditory tax,sorry pension plan,proposed by the libs or some of there green energy plans.I also can't forget the Harris Common sense revolution that downloaded everything on the towns and counties so my property taxes went thru the roof . Also can't forget the NDP spending us into a huge debt. I am going to be really checking out the local candidates and see what each one stands for ,but it looks like I will be voting fringe this time to try and send the message that I am not happy with any of them. Ed

slim · DUNDAS, ONT

sasquatch wrote:
The debt retirement plan:????

Doesn't anyone remember hydro one's CEO Eleanor Clitheroe, who was being paid a salary of 2.2 million per year, and had ran up expenses for transportation of her kids and nanny to the tune of 330,000 dollars, plus,,,,,,,, her claiming $214,000 for her car expenses????????????????

Just google her, "Eleanor Clitheroe CEO hydro."

Ernie the rat Eves girlfriend if I remember right. After Harris ( I beat my Wife) had to step down