Daully licensing

poncho62 · ADMINISTRATOR

Daully licensing

Rustynuts · MAGNETAWAN, ONT

my 46 1 ton is licensed for 3000kg and the truck weighs 5500 lbs so legally I can haul about 500 lbs........but remember I once had 650 concrete payers on 2 skids....that was 5200lbs of freight........I measured the deck height before and after unloading and the deck only rose up 2".

427CARL · CLINTON, ONT

poncho62 wrote:
I have a chance to get a GMC K3500 diesel daully pickup cheap, needs transmission......I was wondering about the licensing of these compared to a regular 1/2 ton or 3/4 ton. If it is used for non business, just personal towing vehicle, any special licensing on these in Ontario?

A cheap Diesel ?? 1 ton should licence like a normal truck just declare your use

parklane · St THOMAS, ONT

Not sure about strictly personal use, but ours needs to have a circle check etc every time it goes out.

FRNKNSTN · BRADFORD, ONT

I'm not sure that a dually escapes the gaze of the MTO anymore, even if it is used strictly for personal use.
I don't remember what the number is, but 4600 kg and change rings a bell, but you need an annual safety regardless once you are over this weight.
Driving a dually around as a personal vehicle is a pain in the ass in my opinion.

427CARL · CLINTON, ONT

poncho62 wrote:
I have a chance to get a GMC K3500 diesel daully pickup cheap, needs transmission......I was wondering about the licensing of these compared to a regular 1/2 ton or 3/4 ton. If it is used for non business, just personal towing vehicle, any special licensing on these in Ontario?

Check with your local MTO office info is free

wuga · PRINCE EDWARD COUNTY, ONT

If the gross weight on the ownership of the truck is not over 10000 lbs., it is the standard fee as for any vehicle. If you intend to tow a trailer that combines the gross weights to over 10000 lbs., then the licencing fee rises to about $165.00. You must use the gross weight of the trailer as posted on the VIN plate, even if the real combined weight as you use it does not reach 10000 lbs. I'm not sure of the walk arounds, but the trailer must be yellow tagged and inspected annually if over a certain weight. There are many variables involved so if you do tow a trailer, go to your Service Ontario office and get the real dope. The fines can be astronomical.

Warren

poncho62 · ADMINISTRATOR

I am passing on this anyways, body is too rough......thanks all

Candy-Man · KINGSTON, ONT

Wuga (Warren) : Long story short :

1) If you hook ""any"" truck up to ""any"" trailer and you never increased the weight on the ownership for your 1/2 tonne p/u, you are over weight, **if the combined weight of the truck and trailer is over 4,600 Kgs (10,000 lbs)**. Therefore, annual safety on both truck and trailer and more $$ for the valtag....
2) Once the truck has an annual sticker, you may only draw other trailers with an annual safety provided you are not over your GVW.
3) If the towed vehicle is over 4,600 Kgs., you require more than a 'G" license.
4) NO, RV's are not exempt from any of these requirements if towing a tailer over the weight limit (sorry I forgot the weight limit of the trailer at this moment) as a towed vehicle is a towed vehicle, no matter what the power unit is.
5) Log books/vehicle inspection reports are not required if it is personal use.
6) 3/4 tonne p/u's etc., will require an annual inspection sticker even if you do not tow anything, as the GVW on the ownership is "normally" over 4,600 Kgs....
7) Pay attention to your GVW on the truck ownership, that will tell you everything> Remember it does not matter if the trailer is empty and pay attention to your loaded weight of the truck and/or trailer...

8) Fifth wheel (pin) connections, cannot tow with a 'G' license...

-- Edited by Candy-Man on Thursday 9th of April 2015 01:28:30 PM

henrys57wagon · WOODLAWN, ONT

I talked to my local DMV and also called the Ottawa branch to see if I could reduce the weight so as to pay less for my plates on my 2500 HD diesel and was told that the cost is determined by the weight printed on the ownership. Ownership has veh wt as 03210 on one side of the ownership and reg gross wt 03400 on the other half. So I have to pay more even though it it only used for personal use, even if I do not tow our 5th wheel travel trailer.

Petebil · ONTARIO

Candy-Man wrote:
Wuga (Warren) : Long story short :

1) If you hook ""any"" truck up to ""any"" trailer and you never increased the weight on the ownership for your 1/2 tonne p/u, you are over weight,
-- Edited by Candy-Man on Thursday 9th of April 2015 01:28:30 PM

Not quite correct !!

Trailers that have a GVWR less than 2800KG are not added to the RGW of the truck.

This is an exemption for light weight trailers.

Take a look at the brochure that Will posted a while back. It's there in black and white.

http://ontariorodders.activeboard.com/t59830566/trucks-trailers-what-you-need-to-know/

-- Edited by Petebil on Thursday 9th of April 2015 10:50:20 PM

-- Edited by Petebil on Thursday 9th of April 2015 10:51:08 PM

RWW · PICTON, ONT

Candy-Man wrote:
Wuga (Warren) : Long story short :

1) If you hook ""any"" truck up to ""any"" trailer and you never increased the weight on the ownership for your 1/2 tonne p/u, you are over weight, **if the combined weight of the truck and trailer is over 4,600 Kgs (10,000 lbs)**. Therefore, annual safety on both truck and trailer and more $$ for the valtag....
2) Once the truck has an annual sticker, you may only draw other trailers with an annual safety provided you are not over your GVW.
3) If the towed vehicle is over 4,600 Kgs., you require more than a 'G" license.
4) NO, RV's are not exempt from any of these requirements if towing a tailer over the weight limit (sorry I forgot the weight limit of the trailer at this moment) as a towed vehicle is a towed vehicle, no matter what the power unit is.
5) Log books/vehicle inspection reports are not required if it is personal use.
6) 3/4 tonne p/u's etc., will require an annual inspection sticker even if you do not tow anything, as the GVW on the ownership is "normally" over 4,600 Kgs....
7) Pay attention to your GVW on the truck ownership, that will tell you everything> Remember it does not matter if the trailer is empty and pay attention to your loaded weight of the truck and/or trailer...
8) Fifth wheel (pin) connections, cannot tow with a 'G' license...

-- Edited by Candy-Man on Thursday 9th of April 2015 01:28:30 PM

As I understand the RV towing a trailer. The trailer must be under 10,000 lbs or you will need a Class A licence . If I was to take the weight of my motorhome and add the RGW (7000 lbs) to it I would be over for my "G" licence, so to get around that I built a good homemade trailer . A homemade trailer has no RGW data plate, so they can weigh it and what it weigh's is what it weigh's. While it sounds mickey mouse, with a homemade trailer you can save on the weight as a car and trailer may weigh 4500 or 5000 lbs while a MFG trailer data plate says 7000 lbs (or more) . Depending on what you are towing that 2000 or 2500 lbs may just get you under the line.

Candy-Man · KINGSTON, ONT

Petebil wrote:
Candy-Man wrote:
Wuga (Warren) : Long story short :

1) If you hook ""any"" truck up to ""any"" trailer and you never increased the weight on the ownership for your 1/2 tonne p/u, you are over weight,
-- Edited by Candy-Man on Thursday 9th of April 2015 01:28:30 PM
Not quite correct !!
Trailers that have a GVWR less than 2800KG are not added to the RGW of the truck.
This is an exemption for light weight trailers.
Take a look at the brochure that Will posted a while back. It's there in black and white.
http://ontariorodders.activeboard.com/t59830566/trucks-trailers-what-you-need-to-know/

-- Edited by Petebil on Thursday 9th of April 2015 10:50:20 PM

-- Edited by Petebil on Thursday 9th of April 2015 10:51:08 PM

Petebil : Please read my whole comment for my first point, not only the first portion, as you missed the most important issue at hand !!

Here is the rest of point 1) which you did not refer to :

**if the combined weight of the truck and trailer is over 4,600 Kgs (10,000 lbs)**. Therefore, annual safety on both truck and trailer and more $$ for the valtag....

I am attempting to summarize the overload of information, to make it more understanding and to point people in the proper direction....

-- Edited by Candy-Man on Friday 10th of April 2015 12:49:53 PM

Petebil · ONTARIO

I did read your whole comment a few times, and you said;

1) If you hook ""any"" truck up to ""any"" trailer and you never increased the weight on the ownership for your 1/2 tonne p/u, you are over weight,

I corrected you because I can infact hook up any trailer less than 2800kg to my 1/2ton and I will not be overweight. I do not need to increase the ownership RGW which is typically 3000kg.

I do agree that if the combined weight of the truck and trailer exceed 4500kg, then both the truck and trailer need to be certified yearly.

I just wanted to clear things up in case someone was worried that they may need to increase the RGW on their ownership if they were towing a small trailer (less than 2800kg)

http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/trucks/commercial-vehicle-faq.shtml#a16

-- Edited by Petebil on Friday 10th of April 2015 07:03:46 PM

Candy-Man · KINGSTON, ONT

Later.....

tractorfix · UXBRIDGE, ONT

There's a whole other kettle of fish called "personal use" there's a whole section on that in the HTA that muddies the waters further. I've been weighed at the side of the road at 11K pulling my race car and they let me go . My truck is registered for 4500 KG (9900lbs) but the trailer is less than 2800kg. There are so many rules and some of them seem to contradict one another. Its very difficult to navigate thru it all. An open trailer with a race car on it is considered personal use while the same trailer with a scrap car with someone else's name on the ownership may not depending on the MTO guy's interpretation.

Nosebleeder · New Member

I just went through court for CVOR and weight and one...

Get yellow safety stickers for everything-- Chances are your over 4600 kg truck trailer

Check your truck sticker for GVWR -- you should be around 5200 kg

If so and trucks in your name / personal use only you dont need a CVOR but you need to carry that docc in the truck incase your pulled over.

If commercial you need CVOR regardless.. but you dont have to provide a copy if being used for personal at the time your pulled over.

Anything over 6000 kg needs CVOR

Any more info let me know..

Dave Robertson

Peddlers cc.

Nosebleeder · New Member

One last thing... Consider your ownership in two different sections

1st is GVWR = CVOR truck only... No trailer

2cnd is RGW = truck trailer and cargo

your RGW is what you set / change ur ownership to read. Must cover truck trailer and load..

this indicates price of your stick only.

Take some time and run your truck over the scale.. On your next visit do with trailer... That way you have a bang on weight for both-- then add what ever the load weighs ... Then u can set your RGW accurately.

i can post the document you need to carry with you at all times for personal use pickup.

If MTO spots anything that looks work related such as tools or equipment they will nail u with a " failure to produce valid CVOR

dR