ministry and ontario colleges of trades who do they answer to

mike · CAMBRIDGE, ONT

RE: ministry and ontario colleges of trades who do they answer to

BARRIE, ONTARIO

www.canadiantechnician.com/
look for articles in : tech talk : heading ..77.

who mentioned money making schemes ????? did ya see the multi page colour flyer insert from some ins co offering deals for tech,s reggied with c o t . ya .... don,t think that ins co didn,t pay large for that oppourtunity

Question is .... Who got paid .

Answer is ... c o t will never tell

( hadda re edit ... speellun mistaces )

-- Edited by 77 on Monday 22nd of December 2014 08:56:49 PM

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-- Edited by 77 on Monday 22nd of December 2014 08:59:12 PM

Playin Hookie · HUNTSVILLE, ONT

I remember being ignored for months from my old ministry apprentice rep too. Everyone was. So nothing much has changed obviously in that regards!
I just showed up the day class started, when there was an opening and I was on the waiting list....bang I was in. Did intermediate and advanced that way because 'ol Mike never did the paperwork on time.

BARRIE, ONTARIO

Wow I paid by bank an got an email reply all ready , receipt for payment . that was fast they shure like getting paid . Of the few things I,ve had to do with the c o t , the repy email for receive payment has only ever been the one thing that went quickly or smoothly ..77.

mike · CAMBRIDGE, ONT

Ya they took my payment right away then sent me a letter saying I Dident pay it

Gazoo · BADEN, ONT

The last/first contact I had with the Ontario College of trade (if memory serves me right), they were doing there sales pitch, introducing this new government controlled agency...Asking me if I would be interested in taking a position within there department.
The offer appeared to me as generic at the time. Although I was not only a certified machinist, CNC programmer at the time, I was also adding up hours in machine and tool builder, and I was a certified College teacher.

I replied to there offer with a few questions, which have been brought up in this thread already.
I never got a reply, nor have I ever paid any money towards this.

Truth be told, I don't know if my certifications are still valid under there terms.
All I know is, I don't think they can do anything for me, so why should I pay.

I realize this post doesn't help you in any shape or form.

But I'm still trying to understand what this new branch is doing to help tradesman...and how?

-- Edited by Gazoo on Wednesday 24th of December 2014 07:10:47 PM

sasquatch · NORTH BAY, ONT

Seems ALL this is doing is GOUGING tradesmen again!!

mike · CAMBRIDGE, ONT

If you go on the Ontario colleges of trades site and click on the public register and type your name in it will come up with all your info if it's still valid if it's not Eather nothing will show up or it will show you as having an expired license. Anyone in a trade requiring certification cancheck this also anyone looking for information on anyone can look up all your info on there as well wether your license is good or if you have had any bad issues in the past and how long you've had your license for.

Gazoo · BADEN, ONT

Nice to know Mike. I honestly couldn't care less, whether my licenses are still honored or not pending my payment to this agency.
I have plenty of top notch references, and years of experience, that'll get me by (I'm near retirement).

For guys like you...It's a totally different beast.
If you were a machinist, millwright, I could help to a certain extent with employment and registration.

BARRIE, ONTARIO

personally I couldn,t care less if,n c o t shows me in a bad light . I,m 52 an only gonna work as a licenced tech for 3 to 5 more yrs ...... come on lotto max ....... as a tech with t an s licences I,ve only had two jobs in two different shops the last 25 yrs . one shop 12 yrs , this one almost 13 . so I,m not too too hard to find . and both those jobs I was in pictures both working and employee info on their web sites
and have had 3 job offers in the last 6 months , all of them I told them the same thing . I don,t wanna be out front , I,m not going for employee of the month . I don,t want to have to deal with customers and I,m only gonna stay 3 to 5 yrs . then I,m just gonna go be a delivery driver or something . all 3 basically offered me the same start wage as I,m getting now .
the only reason I,m staying put is my work place is sooooo friggin stooopid in the way its run . I really don,t have to work hard to impress them .
not meant to hi jack Mike . I feel for ya Brother . I really do .
the only advice I can give is either go work as a tech for armed forces , or cops slash opp , or a city works dept . something with pension benefits medical etc . or get your sh it settled out , take some business courses , and work towards starting your own business , cause believe me when you hit 50 ish , depending on how your body an mind is holding out , you really don,t want to be sluggin away at this crap by then . ..77.

mike · CAMBRIDGE, ONT

77 i am a former member of the Canadian forces I did a few years. Reg for infantry and loved it I left because of injuries but was offered an opportunity to go to one of the support trades but decided not to. If I was gonna stay in the army it was gonna be combat arms or nothing at all. So I left and started working on the trucks out In civi world and I love it and now can't see myself doing anything else But for a government regulated job it's total bs when I was In the military (A GOVERMENT JOB) you were held accountable for everything you did and were expected to make right by your f*** ups and pay the concenquentses. But it seems out here on the civi side of it they don't answer to anyone and don't seem to care even tho it is still a GOVERMENT JOB

Model A Guy · STROUD, ONT

I can understand everyone’s frustration with the OCOT and I agree that it is another tax grab.
I also understand that many of you are close to retirement and don’t care if the OCOT prevents you from working, yes, they will find a way to do that despite what you may think. Please let me show you the other side of the coin, and also tell you that I am a retired tradesman that is no longer affected by the OCOT so I am just throwing this out there, not looking for any arguments or trying to bash anyone. The following are quotes from the Education Director of our Union, written in our monthly newsletter.
“October 2 2014 marks a very important day in the history of our trade. It is the day that an electrical contractor was sentenced to jail time for not following the rules and operating without a valid electrical license. Yes that’s right, for the first time in history a person was sentenced to 30 days in jail and fined thousands of dollars for failing to obey the law. We expected justice to be served when four workers were killed on the collapsed scaffold on Keele Street on Xmas Eve 2009.
Richard Hazel, who operated a company by the name or Voltcom Electrical Services was found guilty on eight charges: 4 counts of working without an electrical contractor’s license, 1 count of failing to obtain an electrical inspection, 2 counts of providing FALSIFIED CERTIFICATES of QUALIFICATIONS, 1 count of leaving behind unsafe electrical conditions at 4 homes in the Hamilton and Burlington area. Further to his list of penalties, an additional $7400 in fines was assessed to him by the OCOT. Let’s not forget that Mr. Hazel will forever have the full and undivided attention of the OCOT. There is no doubt in my mind that this case would have ended MUCH LESS SEVERELY IF OCOT WAS NOT IN THE PICTURE.”
Like I said before, these quotes were taken from our Union newsletter. It is my belief that anyone in a recognized trade should have a valid license. I agree that there a lot good unlicensed tradespeople around, but there are far more unscrupulous bad ones, not just in the electrical trade but in every trade! Maybe if the OCOT can weed out the bad ones, there will be more opportunities for the good ones. I sympathize you guys having problems with the OCOT, I hope you get resolution quickly.

wolfman1 · ST GEORGE, ONT

There were laws in place long before the COT, that addressed unlicensed tradesmen and contractors. I'm a Sheet Metal Mechanic and a Gas Fitter and the Ministry of Labour checked my credentials on construction sites long before the COT.
Now when the Ministry shows up ,they don't care about your licensing.
The COT is just a cash grab and more civil servants that we don't need.

It's just another tax on the middle class

-- Edited by wolfman1 on Thursday 25th of December 2014 04:04:39 PM

slim · DUNDAS, ONT

I went and looked up the volt com article. Really this was brought about by the ESA that has always been in place long before the OCT was even thought of . 3 seperate 10 day sentences adds up to 10 days not 30 and fining someone without a licence means nothing other then they won't renew your licence until the fines are paid. I don't even get why the OTC name was even brought up as they seem to of only added more fines to a list of existing ones that the chances of them being paid are zero . Don't get me wrong I am licensed tradesman and the ministry of labour would rip me a new one if i ever pulled anything close to this. The problem is you will have a hard time intimidating someone with nothing to lose and for 60 bucks you open a different company under another name. 10 days or 30 is a joke and this is the guys second offence.

Model A Guy · STROUD, ONT

wolfman1 wrote:
There were laws in place long before the COT, that addressed unlicensed tradesmen and contractors. I'm a Sheet Metal Mechanic and a Gas Fitter and the Ministry of Labour checked my credentials on construction sites long before the COT.
Now when the Ministry shows up ,they don't care about your licensing.
The COT is just a cash grab and more civil servants that we don't need.
It's just another tax on the middle class

-- Edited by wolfman1 on Thursday 25th of December 2014 04:04:39 PM

In the 45 years or so that I had my license, no one on any job site ever asked to see it,

that includes anyone from the Ministry of Labour. I believe that now [please correct me if I'm wrong],

the OCOT will check contractors working on your house.

I believe it is time to put a stop people who think because they own a pair of pliers, or a hammer, or a socket

set, that they can call themselves a tradesperson. Like I said previously, there are good and bad

licensed or unlicensed, but if we can eliminate the unlicensed in a particular trade, at least the public has a

better chance of protection. Maybe we can keep the firefighters fighting fires, instead trying to be tradespeople

on their days off.

I know a lot of people who are unlicensed and are fantastic at what they do,

but it's the old story of a few rotten apples spoiling it for the good ones.

I agree that we don't need more bureaucracy, but I do think the public needs protection. I also realize that whatever

any government brings forth, somebody won't be happy about it, especially if it involves spending their money.

No, I did not vote for the Liberals!

slim · DUNDAS, ONT

I have never seen or herd of anyone from the OCT showing up at a job site and they only register red seal trades that you can check on their web site. meaning if you don't give them cash they don't care.

Model A Guy · STROUD, ONT

According to 77 they showed up at his workplace. Personnally, I have only heard stories, much like the MOE, a friend of a friend's brother-in-law twice removed was hassled.
Ten days or 30 days in jail is still more than a lot of criminals get for more serious crimes. It is still more than has ever been handed out before for this type of crime, no matter who instigated the investigation.

mike · CAMBRIDGE, ONT

It's the ministry guys that show up at our shop we've never had a cot guy show up

fatchuk · ST MARYS, ONTARIO

“October 2 2014 marks a very important day in the history of our trade. It is the day that an electrical contractor was sentenced to jail time for not following the rules and operating without a valid electrical license. Yes that’s right, for the first time in history a person was sentenced to 30 days in jail and fined thousands of dollars for failing to obey the law. We expected justice to be served when four workers were killed on the collapsed scaffold on Keele Street on Xmas Eve 2009.
Richard Hazel, who operated a company by the name or Voltcom Electrical Services was found guilty on eight charges: 4 counts of working without an electrical contractor’s license, 1 count of failing to obtain an electrical inspection, 2 counts of providing FALSIFIED CERTIFICATES of QUALIFICATIONS, 1 count of leaving behind unsafe electrical conditions at 4 homes in the Hamilton and Burlington area. Further to his list of penalties, an additional $7400 in fines was assessed to him by the OCOT. Let’s not forget that Mr. Hazel will forever have the full and undivided attention of the OCOT. There is no doubt in my mind that this case would have ended MUCH LESS SEVERELY IF OCOT WAS NOT IN THE PICTURE.” ..I call bullspit on that
Like I said before, these quotes were taken from our Union newsletter.

these quotes were taken from our Union newsletter.

Unions are pretty self serving and for the most part they too suck up to the Liberal government If it weren't for all the Government unions the Liberals would never have been re-elected It was strictly Government Unions that re-elected them ..just another tax grab ..The OCOT is just a make work project for the Liberal cronies who have a bunch of lazy azzholes who know nothing about any of our trades and has been no help to our trade nor will they ever do anything to make any difference ..I hope we can dump those azzholes with another government..They are money grabbers for their own pockets in my view..We already have enough laws and regulations on the books ..What we don't have is a government that really gives a chit about the trades enough to enforce the existing laws..This is just one more confusing component to add to a branch of a government that does not a clue how to do anything except form another branch of do nothings except to make it harder to enforce the existing laws..and make life a hassel for those of us that are decent honest tradesmen..

I don't see any good from the OCOT..but we will pay more for less.. except for the grief they will bring to many people trying to stay off welfare and unemployment while trying to extract a living in to-days economy with hydro cost and manufacturing jobs leaving the province in droves because of all these crazy Liberal ideology's that are bankrupting our province and our kids futures with their debt and spending on bullchit schemes and green energy draining our economy to feed another bunch of liberals crooked cronies that have all the sweetheart contracts..Just more deceit,and crooked liberal schemes..

BARRIE, ONTARIO

A guy came an checked our shop an licences and I d cards , and told me about how we had to be checked , like I said 25 yrs , only 2 shops . I told him to go check guys that have worked in 5 shops in 3 yrs . he basically said not his problem . just because they change a lot doesn,t make them bad people
what the ocot is sposed to do is the same thing fire arms registry doesn,t do .
ocot is sposed to weed out illegal workers , but the only guys they can find are the licenced guys .... Hmmmmm ??????
fire arms registry is sposed to find illegal guns an owners , but the only guys they have on record are legal owners ....Hmmmm????
notice any similarities ..77.