looks like the government is about to strike again, new rules will be a 96 page inspection process for used car sales...............more money to spend ............................
-- Edited by DavyJ on Wednesday 20th of January 2016 09:29:22 PM
Drivers looking to make a little cash and sell their used cars will likely have a harder time getting the green light on a safety inspection come July.
The province is updating their inspection standards for the first time in 42 years, requiring mechanics to go through a more detailed, 96-page checklist before passing a car.
“It’s a huge change,” Alan Gelman said, co-owner of GlennAlan Motors. “The cost is going to change. The time factor is going to change. The price of used cars is going to change.”
The new requirements come into effect July 1.
For example, under the current requirements, in order for a vehicle to pass, the engine just had to get the car up to 60 km/hr. Come July, a whole host of items will need to be checked.
“So you’re talking about an oil leak, which apparently, as far as the new regulations, it wouldn’t pass,” Gelman said, admitting a fail would result in costly repairs that would probably end up being more than the car is worth.
Stephen Del Duca, minister of transportation, said some of the biggest changes involve checks on parts of a vehicle that didn’t exist in the 1970s, like air bags, power train and anti-lock brakes.
“It was time for a refresh,” Del Duca said. “It was time for an update, but ultimately we want to have the safest vehicles certified and on our roads.”
Other notable changes include cracks in a vehicle’s windshield. Any crack larger than 50 millimetres in the area covered by the wipers will result in a fail. Under the current regulations, no minimum lengths are mentioned and the crack couldn’t be in the driver’s immediate field of view.
Any warning light activated on the dash would result also in a vehicle failing.
Gelman estimates an additional 25 per cent of cars will fail as a result of the new standards.
However, industry experts say in order to protect consumers, the province needs to go even further with its regulation overhaul.
George Iny, director of the Automobile Protection Association, says he’d like to see even more transparency in the inspection process.
“The issue with safety standards and certification in Ontario is not that it is out of date, it’s that the model is broken,” Iny said. “There isn’t enough oversight of shops or techs that will pass vehicles that should never pass.”
Safety standard inspections are required when registering a rebuilt vehicle, transferring a used vehicle to a new owner, registering a vehicle coming in from another province, or changing the status of a vehicle from ‘unfit’ to ‘fit.’
Here are some of the major changes:
Powertrain
New requirements have been added to the powertrain system, including: accelerator pedal, throttle actuator, exhaust system, drive shaft, differential, clutch, clutch pedal, engine and transmission mounts, gear shifter/ selector and position indicator, drive belt pulley, electric and hybrid electric powertrain, gasoline and diesel fuel systems, and compressed natural gas and propane fuel systems.
Suspension
There are new ride height, bushing, and shock/strut requirements. There are also new requirements for air suspension components and suspension system travel.
Brakes
There are new requirements to measure and record the dimensions of brake components including drum, rotor and brake lining.
There is a better distinction between various types of brake systems — the criteria are now more closely aligned with the specific requirements for each of the various system types. (e.g. vacuum assist, hydraulic assist, air assist).
There are new requirements for Anti-lock Brake System (ABS).
Electronic Stability Control (ESC) systems are now required for light duty vehicles manufactured on or after September 1, 2011. The system must function as intended for those vehicles that require the system.
Steering
Rack and pinion steering system requirements, including associated parts (boot, bellows, clamps) have been added in addition to those for recirculating ball type.
New requirements for upper strut bearings, steering dampener, tilt/telescopic hardware, remote steering systems, hydraulic power steering system pump and associated components and minimum parts quality and maximum leakage requirements have been introduced.
Steering lash requirements have been simplified.
Instruments and Auxiliary Equipment
New requirements have been added for horn switch, speedometer, odometer, windshield wiper.
Limits on coolant leakage from all heaters and fuel leakage from auxiliary heaters were added.
Lamps
Lighting requirements have been changed to incorporate the lighting equipment required by the federal safety standard at the time the vehicle was new.
Electrical
The revised section provides requirements for vehicle wiring.
Requirements for the vehicle’s battery are provided. Battery, posts, connections, mounts, and covers must be tight and free from corrosion, deterioration, or evidence of burning. All equipment must be secure, comprised of OEM-quality components, and in good condition.
Body
Specific requirements have been introduced to deal with a loss of structural integrity of cab, cargo or passenger body, frame or sub-frame, tailgate, bumper, seats and seat belts due to specified weaknesses, deficiencies, damage, seizure, wear, loss of components or material or improper repair procedures.
There is a new requirement to inspect equipment, latches, handles, door openers, hinges and other devices attached to the vehicle. All equipment must be in good working condition, not be missing, nor present an unsafe or hazardous condition to individuals who may be exposed to the vehicle.
There is a new requirement to inspect the entire area of the windshield swept by either the driver’s or passenger’s side wiper, with limits specified.
Window tint requirements are part of the new standard.
Occupant protection systems required by federal law must now be tested for functionality via the vehicle telltale diagnostic lamp. The system check includes, when originally equipped, air bags, seatbelt pre-tensioners, and side air bag curtains.
Tire and Wheel
The new requirement fails if a tire or any single point on a tire’s tread is below the minimum.
The minimum required tread depth has increased.
No mixing of radial with other tire construction types (such as bias ply) is permitted.
The use of wheel spacers is now prohibited, although adaptors are permitted if they are in good mechanical condition.
Coupling Devices
Clearer distinctions between various types of hitch systems with more complete criteria aligned with specific requirements for each hitch type.
Road Test
A section has been added to the inspection standards to capture the elements that should be inspected and recorded during a road test of the vehicle including: tell-tales, shock absorber functionality, odometer, steering, etc.
General
An inspection report must be provided to the consumer, noting important information about the results of the inspection, including measurements for specified components (e.g. tire tread depth); and, any warning lamps that are illuminated.
See the entire vehicle inspection standard handbook below or at this mobile-friendly link.
Reference handbook: Ontario's passenger/light-duty vehicle inspection standard
As with many other gov't. inspections, is the north exempt. Does this apply equally to all of Ontario? The poor guy or gal who is trying to raise a kid or two or more on minimum wage and needs transportation will be screwed. Used cars that do pass will be more expensive just due to the cost of the inspection and the repair of 96 pages of items. This issue reared its ugly head some years ago in the US and also in BC. I believe it went the way of the dodo due to the inability to manage it. This will be good for the new car industry, but where are those profits going....Korea, Japan, Mexico. Certainly not back into the Canadian economy what with the way the big three are closing plants in Ontario. I don't get too political ve.ry often and I can probably afford a safety, but I know a whole lotta people that are going to be in trouble. One more Liberal burden on the backs of the Ontario citizen. Welcome to the race to Ontario bankruptcy.
As far as I can tell, this inspection stuff is just for certification right? This might mean that people will be keeping older cars on the road longer as it might be cheaper to fix up the old one than to buy a slightly newer one and have to deal with an expensive cert.
As far as I can tell, this inspection stuff is just for certification right? This might mean that people will be keeping older cars on the road longer as it might be cheaper to fix up the old one than to buy a slightly newer one and have to deal with an expensive cert.
My daily is a 1981
Yearly certifications will be implemented once we swallow this pill. I hope I see a revolt in my lifetime because it's long overdue.
The part that scares me is where the mechanic has to take the car for a road test...........I hate others driving my cars, especially the ones with lots of horsepower............
I think it is just a different approach at the klunker laws they used to get more scrap metal for the junkyards.
Friend of mine just put 3 of his vehicles up on KIJIJI and sold 2 right away, have heard through the grape vine that "new" safety's will be in the $200 range?? He's trying to get from 5 classics down to 2 !!! If yearly safety comes in & having 5 + daily driver that's over $ 1200 + taxes ea. year!!!!! Both 'sold' vehicles "leaked" a little oil as most cars do, but wasn't going to pull 2 engines to stop it & likely leak again in a short period of time from sitting. My Torpedo back had a fresh engine just over 2 yrs. ago & 8000 miles now & rear main & t/cover seal are seeping enough to show a "DRIP" on the oil pan!!! FAIL!!! Time for a REVOLT in this Province!!! The FIBS are ramming through these changes & we can't stop it.
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I can only please one person a day, Today is not your day!!Tomorrow doesn't look good either !!!!
I love how we keep enacting things that other provinces have tried, then scrapped because they didn't work. Its like they are purposely trying to drive people from Ontario. The government complains about the poor economy, and then hikes all the costs of everything. They are complaining about a brain drain in ontario, but make it too expensive for professionals to prosper here.
I have an open job offer in Colorado. It looks better every day, even though I will loose 35% of the value of my place if I sell it and move there, just because of the horrible Canadian dollar.
I have an open job offer in Colorado. It looks better every day, even though I will loose 35% of the value of my place if I sell it and move there, just because of the horrible Canadian dollar.
Don't think that the real estate has been hit that hard here yet. Prices keep moving up around here.
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I have an open job offer in Colorado. It looks better every day, even though I will loose 35% of the value of my place if I sell it and move there, just because of the horrible Canadian dollar.
Don't think that the real estate has been hit that hard here yet. Prices keep moving up around here.
Think what rick is saying "no matter what" he sells his property for here he's losing 35 % + on exchange if he takes that $$ & converts to US dollar if he moves there !!!
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Listened to 640's Greg Carasko show on Sat. morning, Greg was saying that every dealer will now be [ or should be if their smart] starting to put your trade in on the hoist for quick visual before quote made on value!!! "WET engine means your "trade in" is almost 'worthless" after or just before July 1st> of this yr. His dealership is starting this NOW as some used cars sit this time of yr. for awhile on the lot & he doesn't want one that has a seepage or warning lights on dash on!!! Figures 35 to 50% of trade in's won't pass this quick visual which will hurt sales, customers will just keep the old car on the road till it DIES!!! & not do maintenance either!!!
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I can only please one person a day, Today is not your day!!Tomorrow doesn't look good either !!!!
Listened to 640's Greg Carasko show on Sat. morning, Greg was saying that every dealer will now be [ or should be if their smart] starting to put your trade in on the hoist for quick visual before quote made on value!!! "WET engine means your "trade in" is almost 'worthless" after or just before July 1st> of this yr. His dealership is starting this NOW as some used cars sit this time of yr. for awhile on the lot & he doesn't want one that has a seepage or warning lights on dash on!!! Figures 35 to 50% of trade in's won't pass this quick visual which will hurt sales, customers will just keep the old car on the road till it DIES!!! & not do maintenance either!!!
I don't see what all the concern is about these new rules for certification. If your car is leaking oil, then fix the damn thing. If you own a car your duty is to maintain it because the safety of others is on the line. I agree a small oil leak is no big concern, but these owners you talk about that will "drive till it dies and not do maintenance" is a concern especially when my Kids are sharing the road with these people.
I don't see what all the concern is about these new rules for certification. If your car is leaking oil, then fix the damn thing.
I have found that a "nasty" engine oil leak is a great way to oil spray the undercarriage, thereby preventing rust and extending the life of the car.
Having crunched the numbers, you will be $$ ahead at the end of the year by simply topping up the crankcase with oil (as needed) rather than spending the time/effort and dollars to repair the leak then have to pay $125 for an annual oil spray
Along those same lines, you might all be interested to know that you actually can lube your ball joints, tie rod ends, U-joints and wheel bearings with bacon grease although the downside to that is you're always hungry due to the car smelling like bacon Now, if I can just figure out how to get my toilet to accept newspaper, I'll no longer need to buy toilet paper
All I'm saying here is a small seepage at rear main or frt. pump seal on transmission ETC. is enough to fail your car, & cost to remove the engine or trans. is not worth it, either if you trade it in or keep it & drive it into the ground!!! This is total B/S & Wynne's attempt with her ? "cronies" to get us out of our cars!!! Show me a vehicle that's 2 or 3 yrs. old that doesn't 'seep" somewhere?? I f they bring this down with same rules for yearly inspections, she will WIN the war, screw us out of our classic cars, & daily drivers, & we will sit in the garage look at your car, & remember when we could drive these on the road!!!!
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I agree, why the big concern? take your car in, they hand you a list, you do the work it passes. it will likely cost a lot more for an inspection now due to the extra crap involved.
Well, for the people who are saying "fix it" - I want them to be the first to voluntarily bring their car in and get everything fixed for a safety.
I hope that your mains don't seep at all since that is now a failure. I worked in a lube shop for several years, and nearly every car over 5 years old has minor main seal seepage. That is a major job to fix for something that doesn't even drip, and probably will start seeping again in a year.
My favourite is where someone says the model is broken by having private garages doing the safeties - they want the government to be the one to safety your car. If they get that, the next thing will be yearly safeties, so the liberal government can get a couple hundred bucks every year for each car you own to help pay off their union bribes, and fat uncontested government contracts to their friends.
Hmmmmm, something just crossed my mind (not to mention it got halfway across then stopped to take a dump )
If a car is failed for "seepage" when attempting to certify, that more than suggests that the gov't believes a car with a leak/seepage is an "unfit vehicle". I can't help but wonder if (more like WHEN) this will also cross over to those "safety blitzes" on long weekends (and other times too) where the MTO, MOE, OPP and local police get together and pull the plates on as many vehicles as they can.
I can see it now, halfway to the cottage with the wife and kids when you get dragged in for an inspection and some A-hole pulls your plates due to the fact that you spilled some oil down the side of the block when you did your last oil change
If it's unfit for a cert, I doubt they'll view it as being fit for the road
-- Edited by chips on Monday 25th of January 2016 04:59:26 PM
People keep saying we got what we voted for but at what campaign stop did they say they were going to take our rights to fight a ticket with a new AMP law. I don't remember hearing about yearly certs or 150 point inspections. I am quite political but still somehow missed these from any of the parties. Ed
So I guess they are coming after us through the back door sort of speak, Guys with the original chevy 6 cyl rear mains that always leak, custom cars with no door handles, suicide doors on the rods, not original lights on the street rods and customs the list go's on yikes
The only thing thats going to happen is it will open up a bigger market for hot safeties and put more junk on the road. People will do what they need to weather its legal or not. Think about it you could make an easy grand before finishing your morning coffee .
The biggest reason people turn into criminals is government. There is no way a person can get thru a normal day without breaking some law of some kind. Some more serious than others . Can you imagine what your rap sheet would look like if you got busted for every one. People find ways to get buy even if , as they want to do, they eliminate cash , people will get by. It might be a very uncomfortable couple of months , but people will find a way to cope . The righteous who wouldn't think of fudging a cert or a tax form , well I guess you are on your own . Ed
Fords Rule ! If it ain't designed and manufactured in North America it sucks ! I don't do rice, pasta, fish and chips, sauerkraut, Ikea or other third world motor vehicle !
I read all 98 pages of the new regulations and the only place new leaks or removal are mentioned is for the diesel def tank and lines etc, and for the fuel system in its entirety - the def being emissions, and fuel leaks being dangerous - I can understand it
the other places leaks are mentioned is steering and brakes - again serious safety issues
Nowhere is the engine or transmission mentioned in regards to leaks of any kind being type 1, 2, or 3
the rest of the stuff is all about safety and should be included - and the rest is sounds like it is about buyer protection as those things as listed cost a dam fortune to fix or replace
I am of the mind that if any of this stuff is broke or worn out - you shouldn't need the govt to make you fix it
You wont hear me whining about this stuff that's for sure
I asked a few of my mechanic friends what they thought of this new regulation, not one has ever heard of it. It's business as usual unless they get told otherwise.
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