On 26 August 2016, Belleville Police Service Traffic Services Unit conducted a Joint forces safety and compliance initiative referred to as Operation Safe Ride with their partner agencies, the Ministry of Transportation and Ministry of Environment.
The focus of this safety and compliance initiative was on modified vehicles to ensure road safety. Fifteen vehicles were inspected resulting in nine (9) vehicles being taken out of service. Six of the nine motor vehicles had the plates removed and were listed as unfit due to major safety defects. Eighteen Highway Traffic Act charges and three Environmental Protection Act Charges were laid.
As much as it just kills me to say this an do not whole hartly agree with this tactic
However i find myself Agreeing with live to drive...
Now having been on the other side of this many a time for no justifiable reason...as the mto can be nit pickers an call three little things wrong with the auto...They will pull the plates...then its you have towed home not impounded.They must supply a pink property slip an a pink release form at the seen of the alleged crime.
I would like to know out of 9 how many were pulled for smog? They say 18 gifts were handed out in the form of tickets...Hmmm wonder what the charges actually are.?
-- Edited by Ground Pounder on Monday 29th of August 2016 07:28:02 PM
-- Edited by Ground Pounder on Monday 29th of August 2016 07:29:04 PM
Who's hobby. No mention of what kind of cars or more likely trucks were stopped. I read on the Armdrop site it was lifted trucks and tuners that were being hasseled. Same as Cobourg No mention of hotrods being stopped. I haven't heard of any being stopped, has anyone seen a hotrod being stopped in one of these blitzes. The biggie seams to be the parking brake and neutral switches. Ed
-- Edited by flatblack55delivery on Monday 29th of August 2016 08:53:56 PM
One of the mechanics at work got pulled over by MOE/MTO. His jacked up 4X4 ( key word: jacked up = modified) was inspected, plates removed and fined. MOE pulled him over because he was high enough that they could see that he did not have any cats. MTO pulled the farm plates his ownership showed his parents address, yet his drivers licence showed a city address.
There was another A$@hat that used to run around Trenton with a jacked up 4X4. He would drive around town with HED headlights on, his HED fog lights on AND a 48" LED light bar mounted over his windshield on. That is 5 white lights facing forward. Legal limit is 4. OPP wrote him up!
Both trucks less than 10 years, both modified and yet on paper, the general public does not know the differance. All that they know is a number, not the type of vehicle or violation.
Had a friend that had his farm plates pulled because he was running off road (coloured) fuel.
Would be nice to know what the vehicle was and what violation was citied.
This pisses me off as well! I drive a transport for a living. Every time DOT/MTO does a safety blitz, they always include 1 ton trucks with 5th wheel units/ 1 ton vans and whatnot. BIG differance between 2 axle and a 5+ axle unit. Yet, because they have that yellow sticker, we are all painted with the same brush.
-- Edited by Ziggy on Monday 29th of August 2016 09:58:04 PM
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I first heard it on the Belleville radio station and then when I got home I copied the report from the Belleville Police Service web site. AUG 26TH www.police.belleville.on.ca/mediareleasess25.php
Spent the weekend in Belleville with 24 other non modified vintage cars. Seen OPP many times over the tree days with one even giving a thumbs up. Lions Club tracked us down at the Travelodge and asked if we would make an appetence at there show in the park Sunday morning. No one was ever pulled over in our group and we covered a lot of road in the area. I think they are pulling over the obvious ones so we all get painted with the same brush.
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I was talking to a couple of the tow drivers involved and their comments were: They were after guys who drive their cars all the time and are unsafe or do not meet the appropriate emission standards. When you drive around with your check engine light on and the cats are missing, your in trouble. When you alter your suspension so you are virtually driving on the sidewalls, you are in trouble. They were not targeting hot rods or special interest cars, they don't see the street often enough.
As I sit in my POS modified 55 at the light wondering what is next for the hobby, I notice that of the 12 cars and trucks that turned the corner infront of me, 7 0f the drivers were on there phones. Hummm. So lets see , over 50%distracted and breaking the law,opposed to less than 12% of all vehicle collisions caused by mechinical failure. Yup government priorities once again looking after our safety. Ed
I hope you didn't mean that the way it came out? You think you should be able to put innocent people at risk because you see other people getting away with it? If you are want to run your car on the road it has to meet all the regulations period. If you don't like the regulations, call your MP, lead a sit it, dance the Fudrucker if necessary and get the regulation changed but don't just ignore regulations you don't agree with. You will probably hurt your self or someone else.
'Get the regulation changed' Yeh right. I'm all for regulations that concern safety but I'm also a hot rodder and there are some regulations I have no intention of following. Certainly not going to list them on this forum and if ticketed i'll deal with it in the courts. So far I'm batting 100% " Loud pipes save lives"
-- Edited by Bob T on Wednesday 7th of September 2016 09:06:49 PM
I'd really like for you to re-think your position on that. I got hurt when someones "garage engineering" went bad in a curve and they crossed the double yellows, head on into me. When all the legal crap settled the guy apologized but I still have a hard time understanding why I have to keep paying for his crappy judgement?? If you insist on collecting a Darwin award please don' take anyone with you ok? Obviously not talking about mufflers here. As for getting active about regulations, they always post these things for public input before hand. There is one on the environmental registry right now requesting input. If you are passionate about these things you should be contributing. I don't want to ruffle feathers here, but if thats what it take to save someone else the hell I have gone through so be it.
Livetodrive... I'm NOT talking about compromising on safety items. Be clear on that. I'm talking about other items not connected to safety that some how got put into law. And no I will not be rethinking my position . .'Loud pipes save lives' was an attempt at humour BUT if loud pipes save even one life its all worth it.
Thats exactly what the guy who hit me said. Unless you are an automotive engineer, the courts and his insurance company will not recognize your opinion on what was safety related. Fortunately he had some assets or I would have been SOL! Do what you want, but realize what a gamble you are taking when you operate a motor vehicle that does not meet the regulations in every way. Personally I have too much to lose.
Dont let you're freedom be taken through extortion of you're liberties/monies ,Know what is written,Use it wisely with respect/common sense. [You will find that i try not to deal in hearsay or by Making presumption(s)there's a lot of both in this thread ,]
Where proceedings pending in Federal Court
(2) No court in a province has jurisdiction to entertain any proceedings taken by a person if proceedings taken by that person in the Federal Court in respect of the same cause of action, whether taken before or after the proceedings are taken in the court, are pending.
R.S., 1985, c. C-50, s. 21;
R.S., 1985, c. 40 (4th Supp.), s. 2;
1990, c. 8, s. 28;
2001, c. 4, s. 45.
Payment of judgment
30(1) On receipt of a certificate of judgment against the Crown issued under the regulations or the Federal Courts Rules, the Minister of Finance shall authorize the payment out of the Consolidated Revenue Fund of any money awarded by the judgment to any person against the Crown.
An Act respecting the liability of the Crown and proceedings by or against the Crown Short Title Marginal note:Short title
1 This Act may be cited as the Crown Liability and Proceedings Act.
R.S., 1985, c. C-50, s. 1; 1990, c. 8, s. 21.
Interpretation Marginal note:Definitions
2 In this Act,
Crown means Her Majesty in right of Canada; (État)
Crown ship means a Crown vessel as defined in section 140 of the Canada Shipping Act, 2001; (navire de l’État)[remember this is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admiralty_law jurisdiction based off the fact that you're alleged auto is "REGISTERED TO THEM" Making it a ship...Hence Ownerships][REGISTRATION MEANS TO CONSENT TO GIVE AWAY AN NO ONE IS OBLIGED TO REGISTER ANYTHING]
liability, for the purposes of Part 1, means
(a) in the Province of Quebec, extracontractual civil liability, and
(b) in any other province, liability in tort; (responsabilité)
servant includes agent, but does not include any person appointed or employed by or under the authority of a law of the Legislature of Yukon, of the Northwest Territories or for Nunavut. (préposés)
tort[Repealed, 2001, c. 4, s. 34]
R.S., 1985, c. C-50, s. 2; 1990, c. 8, s. 22; 1993, c. 28, s. 78; 1998, c. 15, s. 21; 2001, c. 4, s. 34, c. 26, s. 295; 2002, c. 7, s. 151; 2014, c. 2, s. 7.
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Definition of person
2.1 For the purposes of sections 3 to 5, person means a natural person of full age and capacity other than Her Majesty in right of Canada or a province.
2001, c. 4, s. 35.
PART ILiability Liability and Civil Salvage Marginal note:Liability
3 The Crown is liable for the damages for which, if it were a person, it would be liable {ur auto is owned by the alleged crown through REGISTRATION being floated as a security on the international markets of a corporations net worth=hence THE CORPORATION OF CANADA]
(a) in the Province of Quebec, in respect of
(i) the damage caused by the fault of a servant of the Crown, or
(ii) the damage resulting from the act of a thing in the custody of or owned by the Crown or by the fault of the Crown as custodian or owner; and
(b) in any other province, in respect of
(i) a tort committed by a servant of the Crown, or
(ii) a breach of duty attaching to the ownership, occupation, possession or control of property.
R.S., 1985, c. C-50, s. 3; 2001, c. 4, s. 36.
Marginal note:Motor vehicles
4 The Crown is liable for the damage sustained by anyone by reason of a motor vehicle, owned by the Crown, on a highway, for which the Crown would be liable if it were a person.
R.S., 1985, c. C-50, s. 4; 2001, c. 4, s. 37.
Marginal note:Civil salvage
5 (1) Subject to subsection (2), the law relating to civil salvage, whether of life or property, applies in relation to salvage services rendered in assisting any Crown ship or aircraft, or in saving life from a Crown ship or aircraft, or in saving any cargo or apparel belonging to the Crown, in the same manner as if the ship, aircraft, cargo or apparel belonged to a private person. Marginal note:Claims in Federal Court
(2) All claims against the Crown under subsection (1) shall be heard and determined by a judge of the Federal Court.
R.S., 1985, c. C-50, s. 5; 2001, c. 4, s. 38, c. 26, s. 296.
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6 [Repealed, 2001, c. 6, s. 113] Marginal note:Limitation period for salvage proceedings
7 (1) Section 145 of the Canada Shipping Act, 2001 applies in respect of salvage services rendered to Crown ships or aircraft as it applies in respect of salvage services rendered to other ships or aircraft.
(2) [Repealed, 2001, c. 6, s. 114]
R.S., 1985, c. C-50, s. 7; 2001, c. 6, s. 114, c. 26, s. 298.
Previous Version Marginal note:Saving in respect of prerogative and statutory powers
8 Nothing in sections 3 to 7 makes the Crown liable in respect of anything done or omitted in the exercise of any power or authority that, if those sections had not been passed, would have been exercisable by virtue of the prerogative of the Crown, or any power or authority conferred on the Crown by any statute, and, in particular, but without restricting the generality of the foregoing, nothing in those sections makes the Crown liable in respect of anything done or omitted in the exercise of any power or authority exercisable by the Crown, whether in time of peace or of war, for the purpose of the defence of Canada or of training, or maintaining the efficiency of, the Canadian Forces.
R.S., c. C-38, s. 3.
Special Provisions respecting Liability Marginal note:No proceedings lie where pension payable
9 No proceedings lie against the Crown or a servant of the Crown in respect of a claim if a pension or compensation has been paid or is payable out of the Consolidated Revenue Fund or out of any funds administered by an agency of the Crown in respect of the death, injury, damage or loss in respect of which the claim is made.
R.S., 1985, c. C-50, s. 9; 2001, c. 4, s. 39(F).
Marginal note:Liability for acts of servants
10 No proceedings lie against the Crown by virtue of subparagraph 3(a)(i) or (b)(i) in respect of any act or omission of a servant of the Crown unless the act or omission would, apart from the provisions of this Act, have given rise to a cause of action for liability against that servant or the servant’s personal representative or succession.
R.S., 1985, c. C-50, s. 10; 2001, c. 4, s. 40.
Marginal note:Motor vehicles
11 No proceedings lie against the Crown by virtue of section 4 in respect of damage sustained by any person by reason of a motor vehicle on a highway unless the driver of the motor vehicle or the driver’s personal representative or succession is liable for the damage so sustained.
R.S., 1985, c. C-50, s. 11; 2001, c. 4, s. 40.
12 [Repealed, 1999, c. 31, s. 70] Property Marginal note:Application of subparagraphs 3(a)(ii) and (b)(ii)
13 (1) Subparagraphs 3(a)(ii) and (b)(ii) are not applicable in respect of any property owned by the Crown unless the Crown or a person acting for the Crown has, in fact,
(a) in the case of personal property and movables, taken physical control of it; and
(b) in the case of real property or immovables, entered into occupation of it. Marginal note:Effect of orders
(2) Where the Governor in Council has, by order published in the Canada Gazette, declared that the Crown has, before, on or after November 15, 1954, ceased to be in control or in occupation of any property specified in paragraphs (1)(a) and (b), subparagraphs 3(a)(ii) and (b)(ii) are not applicable in respect of the specified property from the day of publication of the order until the day the order is revoked.
R.S., 1985, c. C-50, s. 13; 2001, c. 4, s. 41.
Proceedings in rem Marginal note:Proceedings in rem
14 Nothing in this Act
(a) authorizes proceedings in rem in respect of any claim against the Crown;
(b) authorizes the arrest, detention or sale of any Crown ship or aircraft, or of any cargo or other property belonging to the Crown; or
(c) gives to any person any lien on, or cause of preference on or in respect of, any ship, aircraft, cargo or other property belonging to the Crown.
R.S., 1985, c. C-50, s. 14; 2001, c. 4, s. 42.
15 [Repealed, 1990, c. 8, s. 24] Invasion of Privacy Marginal note:Definitions
16 In this section and sections 17 and 18,
authorization[Repealed, 1993, c. 40, s. 19]
electro-magnetic, acoustic, mechanical or other device means any device or apparatus that is used or is capable of being used to intercept a private communication, but does not include a hearing aid used to correct subnormal hearing of the user to not better than normal hearing; (dispositif d’interception)
intercept includes listen to, record or acquire a communication or acquire the substance, meaning or purport thereof; (interception)
private communication means any oral communication or any telecommunication that is made by an originator who is in Canada or is intended by the originator to be received by a person who is in Canada and that is made under circumstances in which it is reasonable for the originator to expect that it will not be intercepted by any person other than the person intended by the originator to receive it, and includes any radio-based telephone communication that is treated electronically or otherwise for the purpose of preventing intelligible reception by any person other than the person intended by the originator to receive it; (communication privée)
public switched telephone network means a telecommunication facility the primary purpose of which is to provide a land line-based telephone service to the public for compensation; (réseau téléphonique public commuté)
radio-based telephone communication means any radiocommunication within the meaning of the Radiocommunication Act that is made over apparatus that is used primarily for connection to a public switched telephone network; (communication radiotéléphonique)
-- Edited by Ground Pounder on Thursday 8th of September 2016 03:44:58 PM
Hummm never seen that around here. Interesting though, could be out of Fatstax garage , but more likely something from the fertile minds in Newcastle. Ed