Questional plates

Smokin Joe · ONTARIO

Questional plates

Ground Pounder · Senior Member

Smokin Joe wrote:
A fellow was selling licence plate covers at the International Centre swap meet. It has been on my mind ever since. He was telling a fellow that the 407 tolls will not be able to read his plate from the way it is designed and says it is no different than any cover on a plate. That is the problem I have with that is it is not like any other cover. Seeing it is designed to avoid a payment is that not theft or fraud?? Any one know anything or experience with them or if they even work as advertised? Could you even get a criminal record if caught on the 407 with one on your car. To me it would be no different than the guy caught with the revolving plate going on the 407 last year and criminally charged.

He who creates the Controversy holds the liability ...

Remember who's Hard earned tax dollar built the 407 an then was sold to A foreign entity ,An you want to talk about FRAUD? http://www.iijournals.com/doi/abs/10.3905/jsf.1999.320217?journalCode=jsf

http://www.ehmac.ca/everything-else-eh/73546-next-chapter-fraud-407-etr.html

Knowledge is power !! It's a dog eat dog world.

Also a province can not own anything it's DEFACTo What it can an actauly does is hold such in trust for the public who foot the bills to build such things...

http://www.therecord.com/news-story/4347316-man-faces-43-000-bill-for-driving-on-toll-hwy-407/

Bird has launched an online petition on change.org to urge the provincial government to do away with plate denial because, he feels, the province should "not be a collection agency for a private business . . . blocking a person's ability to register a vehicle because of an alleged outstanding bill owed to a privately owned company is unconstitutional. Stop making the taxpayers of Ontario pay for collection of money owed or allegedly owed to a private business."

It also past the statue of limitations of 2 years...Therefore the man owes Nothing!!! Fair debt collection act covers such along with the bills of exchange act etc.

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/page-83.html#h-106

Fraud

Marginal note:Fraud

380 (1) Every one who, by deceit, falsehood or other fraudulent means, whether or not it is a false pretence within the meaning of this Act, defrauds the public or any person, whether ascertained or not, of any property, money or valuable security or any service,
- (a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to a term of imprisonment not exceeding fourteen years, where the subject-matter of the offence is a testamentary instrument or the value of the subject-matter of the offence exceeds five thousand dollars; or
- (b) is guilty
  - (i) of an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years, or
  - (ii) of an offence punishable on summary conviction,
  where the value of the subject-matter of the offence does not exceed five thousand dollars.
Marginal note:Minimum punishment
(1.1) When a person is prosecuted on indictment and convicted of one or more offences referred to in subsection (1), the court that imposes the sentence shall impose a minimum punishment of imprisonment for a term of two years if the total value of the subject-matter of the offences exceeds one million dollars.
Marginal note:Affecting public market
(2) Every one who, by deceit, falsehood or other fraudulent means, whether or not it is a false pretence within the meaning of this Act, with intent to defraud, affects the public market price of stocks, shares, merchandise or anything that is offered for sale to the public is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding fourteen years.

R.S., 1985, c. C-46, s. 380;
R.S., 1985, c. 27 (1st Supp.), s. 54;
1994, c. 44, s. 25;
1997, c. 18, s. 26;
2004, c. 3, s. 2;
2011, c. 6, s. 2.

interesting reads below.

http://www.slaw.ca/2012/01/18/tort-of-invasion-of-privacy-in-ontario/

http://gilc.org/privacy/survey/intro.html

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/personal-privacy-explaining-the-new-right-to-sue-1.1239077

http://teachersinstitute.yale.edu/curriculum/units/1983/4/83.04.07.x.html

cdfai.org.previewmysite.com/PDF/Canada%20and%20the%20Five%20...

www.historicacanada.ca/1812/PDF/1812_english.pdf

Meaning of "Seizure"
A "seizure" in essence is the "taking of a thing from a person by a public authority without that person's consent".^[1] An individual who gives something to an officer does not constitute a seizure. Rather it is merely the receipt of a thing.^[2]
Any "taking is a seizure" where "a person has a reasonable privacy interest in the object or subject matter of the state action and the information to which it gives access".^[3]
A seizure does not have to be connected to a search.^[4]
Valid consent in this context is determined based on indicia such as:^[5]
1. there was a consent, express or implied;
2. the giver of the consent had the authority to give the consent in question;
3. the consent was voluntary in the sense that that word is used in Goldman, supra, and was not the product of police oppression, coercion or other external conduct which negated the freedom to choose whether or not to allow the police to pursue the course of conduct requested;
4. the giver of the consent was aware of the nature of the police conduct to which he or she was being asked to consent;
5. the giver of the consent was aware of his or her right to refuse to permit the police to engage in the conduct requested; and,
6. the giver of the consent was aware of the potential consequences of giving the consent.
Taking of a photograph by police has been considered a search or seizure.^[6]
R. v. Dyment, 1988 CanLII 10, [1988] 2 S.C.R. 417 at para. 26
R. v. Law, 2002 SCC 10, [2002] 1 S.C.R. 227 at para. 15
R. v. Wills, 1992 CanLII 2780 (ON CA) at p. 347-348
Illinois v. Rodrigues, 110 S. Ct 2793 (1999)
R v Cole at para. 34

To me it would be no different than the guy caught with the revolving plate going on the 407 last year and criminally charged. Lmao JAMES BOND ..

-- Edited by Ground Pounder on Wednesday 4th of January 2017 11:29:05 PM

supernash · WEST PERTH, ONT

"Stop making the taxpayers of Ontario pay for collection of money owed or allegedly owed to a private business."

I think that nails it down extremely well.

Those of you that don't know about that "toll" highway, should try and break Google.

Everyday I read things, and shake my head in disbelief, wondering how and who made this friggen Law up ?

Ground Pounder · Senior Member

supernash wrote:
"Stop making the taxpayers of Ontario pay for collection of money owed or allegedly owed to a private business."

I think that nails it down extremely well.

Those of you that don't know about that "toll" highway, should try and break Google.

Everyday I read things, and shake my head in disbelief, wondering how and who made this friggen Law up ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_law

Consent of the governed ...

Statue and act's are not laws they are A legislative rule of society an require "Consent of the governed...

Agreed with :

Everyday I read things, and shake my head in disbelief, wondering how and who made this friggen Law up ?

Certainly not to the public's benefit huh?

poncho62 · ADMINISTRATOR

Those plate covers were around when the 407 was first built. Whether they work or not, who knows? I dont really care if they work, if someone gets caught some way with them, its on them I guess....I just stay off the damn 407, thats my solution.

Ground Pounder · Senior Member

ontariorodders.activeboard.com/t63082395/us-supreme-court-says-no-license-necessary-to-drive-automobi/

Remember U.S. case law gets used in Canadian courts often...

It's all north America {hence turtle island] Now drop the word NORTH what are you left with?

Enjoy folk's.

May be Crazy To think this or that way...However our fore fathers must be remembered for things they we're forced to achieve in order to set us all free in our pursuits of happiness.

Happy Happy Happy New year To all.

-- Edited by Ground Pounder on Thursday 5th of January 2017 08:33:18 AM

DJD · SCARBOROUGH, ONT

the way things are now if someone steals your plates and drives on the 407 your still going to have to pay their toll up until the time you report the plates stolen

jarvis1 · COBBLE HILL, BC

Those plate covers would be the same as the photo radar plate covers.
Did they work?

69SS454 · MILTON, ONT

After Dad passed I bought his truck and switched everything into my name. Used the 407 once months later and they sent a bill to both of us. It took almost 10 months and Mom had to send his death certificate 3x to prove he was dead. Refuse to use!

30-S6 · NORTH BAY, ONT

I live 4hrs North of Toronto,
My wife received a bill for using the 407 last summer..... The expired plates were hanging in my garage since 2002. She paid the fine and I got in sh!t for not returning the plates she bought and paid for to the mto.
I didn't even try to explain how the plates were her's and she could have transferred them to all of her past vehicles.

Ground Pounder · Senior Member

30-S6 wrote:
I live 4hrs North of Toronto,
My wife received a bill for using the 407 last summer..... The expired plates were hanging in my garage since 2002. She paid the fine and I got in sh!t for not returning the plates she bought and paid for to the mto.
I didn't even try to explain how the plates were her's and she could have transferred them to all of her past vehicles.

Plates are not yours they remain the property/jurisdiction of the crown [that is why they can seize them or the auto they are attached],who controls the person,Through tacit agreement ...They created off a pieces of paper.

Registration Means too consent to give away...An no one is obliged to register anything...Or Pledge your property as so they can make a bond of Collateral to float for the provinces net worth or a countries net worth on international markets...Insurance companies are under writers of such registrations.

Yes that's correct you retain the property making you believe you own such while They use it for capital..A [private automobile] can never be taxed[unless commercial] ,However they also Do such taxation... committing fraud /extortion of you're liberties [charter infringement] An gain more capital when you decide to sell,Through such...all through tacit agreements...However you lack full disclosure cause they did not offer nor provide such..[Yet another charter infringement]

Yes there is way more too this world then most will ever realize.

All the Best

-- Edited by Ground Pounder on Friday 6th of January 2017 09:06:04 AM

henrys57wagon · WOODLAWN, ONT

I got a bill for 407 when someone misread a plate and when I contacted the people in-charge they reviewed the picture and when the car did not match anything I owned they removed the charge. So if your plate is not on a vehicle you own you can appeal the charge. I would think a stolen plate would be the same thing and can easily be appealed.

Ground Pounder · Senior Member

henrys57wagon wrote:
I got a bill for 407 when someone misread a plate and when I contacted the people in-charge they reviewed the picture and when the car did not match anything I owned they removed the charge. So if your plate is not on a vehicle you own you can appeal the charge. I would think a stolen plate would be the same thing and can easily be appealed.

Awe yes litigation ,regardless its still fraud /extortion as well as Irreversible harm done to you're person.

"Appeal the charge" ,Yes u can although the said appeal still shows on you're persons record..At that point you need to appeal to have such totally removed from record.

Through a form 7A civil court ...at 25'000 per payable to you're person..

On top of such one could file federal under section 7 of the charter of rights and freedoms

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_7_of_the_Canadian_Charter_of_Rights_and_Freedoms 10'000 per infringement as per the uniform bonding code www.freedom-school.com/uniform-bonding-code.pdf

Now with in the wikipdia article found within the link above there is horse crap [The wording of section 7 says that it applies to "everyone". This includes all people within Canada including non-citizens.^[4] It does not, however, apply to corporations.^{[5]][awe sorry yes it does period.]}

Between section 32 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_32_of_the_Canadian_Charter_of_Rights_and_Freedoms

Which brings the administration of justice into disrepute.[Which spells a win for you]

Check mate =

Government policy

In cases where the "effective control test" fails there is still the possibility of the Charter applying where it can be shown that the organization provided services that were in furtherance of a specific government policy or program (Eldridge v. British Columbia). The reason for this expansion was to prevent the government from outsourcing services to private organizations in order to get around the "control test".

Would like to point out!!! Think ontario hydro[defacto]=wynne

more knowledge.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME7K6P7hlko

-- Edited by Ground Pounder on Friday 6th of January 2017 04:32:28 PM

Ground Pounder · Senior Member

yet more knowledge...

www.youtube.com/watch

Petebil · ONTARIO

Ground Pounder wrote:
yet more knowledge...

www.youtube.com/watch

Yeah, we get it ! I'm sure I speak for others as well, but these doom and gloom and legal mumbo jumbo posts of yours are really starting to get tiresome. We know the world is falling apart so we don't need to be constantly reminded about it. Why don't you post that stuff on doomsday sites.

wuga · PRINCE EDWARD COUNTY, ONT

Don't usually do this but ....................X2

Warren

54vicky · OAKVILLE, ONT

add my name to that statement.I usually click past when I see his sig.but as said they are so long long and rambling.I know click past the problem being they are so long I either fall asleep waiting for them to scroll I forget what the post was about in the first place.I wonder if the donald may hire him for his long winded tweet or twits or what ever they are called.

Bob T · BRANTFORD, ONT

Actually his posts are quite informative and he has every right to post just as you have the right to scroll past them. Knowledge is king, do with it what you will.

Petebil · ONTARIO

Bob T wrote:
Actually his posts are quite informative and he has every right to post just as you have the right to scroll past them. Knowledge is king, do with it what you will.

Informative, absolutely ! Just not the right place for it. If I want that information, I'll go and search it out myself.

Ground Pounder · Senior Member

Petebil wrote:
Bob T wrote:
Actually his posts are quite informative and he has every right to post just as you have the right to scroll past them. Knowledge is king, do with it what you will.
Informative, absolutely ! Just not the right place for it. If I want that information, I'll go and search it out myself.

I sense EXTREME prejudice...

However you do have a right to free speach...

Ignoring the problems an the issues is what lead to this planet falling apart in the first place..

If you want to ignore said facts...scroll right on past an chose to do nothing about these world problems we all face..

might add by ignoring such ,you are only passing doomsday on 2 you're kin which is irresponsible behaver an the ones that do such are part of the problem.

perhaps you need the nanny state to hold you're hand...

I also don't see you petebil/[] posting any hotrod builds or related automotive builds...[Perhaps you're a internet troll/shill as they say...Well i'm not bothered at all]

Thank you 54vicky all the best Eh!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQUXuQ6Zd9w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYoIgKxOK4A

All the best.

Thanks for the enlightenment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErvgV4P6Fzc

Ban away....

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-- Edited by Ground Pounder on Wednesday 11th of January 2017 01:31:45 PM

slab · BRANT COUNTY, ONT

Finally something interesting to watch. biggrin biggrin biggrin

Petebil · ONTARIO

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Fraud

Marginal note:Fraud

Marginal note:Minimum punishment

Marginal note:Affecting public market

Meaning of "Seizure"

Government policy