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 So any thoughts on the policy of some of the national parties to ban sales of vehicles with internal combustion

engines by 2030. Most of the parties have some sort of climate plan that includes this type of ban .

Wondering if it just involves new car sales ?

What about the costs of converting gas stations to EV charging station sand what are those lines going to be like?

Will there be some kind of tax incentive to convert older vehicles to electric ?

Seems like lots of other countries already have similar policies in place with varying timelines.

Someone hopefully will be able to come up with a reasonably priced conversion for our old hot rods?

Just looking for thoughts as another season winds down .  Ed



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never

going

to

happen

why.....?

THE TAX FLOW WOULD STOP COLD - everything in the nation would come to a standstill

governments like to keep that happenin'...makes stuff actually work



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Germany, France ,Norway all have a ban in place for future IC sales .California
may be the first US state so its out there already. Volvo won't be making any more IC only cars Ed

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I think the next step in legislation that results from the proliferation of electric vehicles is a complete overhaul of vehicle licensing systems everywhere. Gas (or diesel) powered vehicles contribute to road maintenance through the “gas” tax at the pump – electric vehicles do not. Some jurisdictions are working on a new system that would charge owners of electric vehicles an annual fee based on kilometers driven. Seems fair to me. I think IC powered vehicles will be around for a long time, DIY’ers will see to that!

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flatblack55delivery wrote:

Germany, France ,Norway all have a ban in place for future IC sales .California
may be the first US state so its out there already. Volvo won't be making any more IC only cars Ed


 I guess they still have faith waiting for their rocket packs and flying cars...

 

you can make all the predictions you want .. what actually happens usually differs greatly



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best guess ed, it will be the price of the gas that makes the biggest difference on whether you are driving a i.c. car or an electric and probably banned from 400 series hiways where a.i. cars will be somewhat driver less with this g-5 tech coming down the road. they say the g-5 tech will make today seem like the stone age technically. as the tax revenue goes down due to electric the price of gas will go up to cover that loss, that's pretty much a given i would think. also maybe restrictions on where and why we are driving an i.c. car similar to the historic plates today but with teeth to the law.
the biggest hurdle today with electric in the trucks is battery weight and charging time. volvo trucks are on a course to make the change as we speak for regional trucks. last thing, i doubt you,me and 1/2 he guys on here won't live long enough to see the full impact of all this but it's coming.



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Unless battery technology takes huge leaps in the upcoming years, Fossil fuels will be here for a long time. Even if/when it happens, we will all be too old to even care about it.
I for one hope they have more electric vehicles for us hot rodders to mess around with. It's cool technology even though society is not ready for it yet.
There has to be huge infrastructure changes first before we can get off the fossil fuel teat. The first thing that has to happen is we need to figure out a way to make fusion cost effective. Once that happens then we will be on the right path. IMO, I think we are still 60-80 years away from having 100% electric vehicles especially in our large cold country. Besides, oil companies still have a lot of political power to prevent this.

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It was suggested on another site when I asked about the massive power drain when all these EVs are charging overnight.
that nuke could handle it. My suggestion was to skip a level and have all the cars nuke powered from he factory,I think
the Jetsons may have been onto something all along. Ed


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-we haven't heard much on this front lately either.   i know caterpillar got out of the truck motor production awhile back which was big news at the time.
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CumminsVANCOUVER, B.C. – Engine giant Cummins Inc. is buying a stake in hydrogen fuel cell maker Loop Energy, the two companies announced.

Financial details were not revealed.

The move comes just days after Cummins completed the acquisition of hydrogen production technologies provider Hydrogenics Corp. of Mississauga, Ont.

“Cummins is investing in a broad portfolio of power solutions, including advancements in hydrogen fuel cell technologies and the electrification of commercial applications,” said Thad Ewald, vice-president of corporate strategy at Cummins.

“This investment is continued evidence of our commitment to next-generation trucking technologies, and we look forward to working with Loop Energy to further validate the provision of zero-emissions fuel cell range extenders for customers.”

LoopAs part of the deal, Loop Energy will also supply Cummins with range extender systems for incorporation into demonstration trucks, the company said.

“Cummins investment in Loop Energy affirms the positioning of our company and technologies to meet the demand for a cost-effective alternative to the internal combustion engine in commercial trucking,” said Ben Nyland, president and CEO of Loop Energy.

“This new investment by Cummins is solid evidence of the traction we are gaining in the market through investments, customer orders, and vehicle demonstration programs.”

Loop Energy is a provider of zero-emission power systems for heavy-duty transportation applications.

Cummins manufactures a broad portfolio of power solutions. Its products range from diesel and natural gas engines to hybrid and electric platforms.



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This raises an interesting point.  Apparently, for each "wind farm" they currently have to build a gas fired plant to ramp up output in case the wind stops blowing.  Natural gas is the only solution that can ramp up quick enough when there is a sudden drop off in wind production.  I have to wonder if the construction and maintenance of a full size gas plant is included when they calculate the footprint of "wind energy"?



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I just watched The Agenda this evening and it dealt with the Ontario Green Energy Program which Ford has partially dismantled. Win and Solar constitute about 1.5% of Ontario's energy production but cost a far greater % to rate payers for what would be considered 'the cherry on top'. There are many reasons why green energy contributes to the carbon foot print and to the increased economies of energy production. I want to see green house gases go away, but it needs to be a well thought out plan in co-operation with the communities that are being impacted by the solar and wind farms. As well, energy production should be closer, if not integrated withe the population centers that consume the energy.

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supposedly the atmosphere has a much higher content on CO2 than it did the last tim it peaked.. just as the dinosaurs BEGAN to evolve

they say we are the cause

I ask how so, when one modest volcanic eruption puts more CO2 and other filth than mankind has EVER produced into the atmosphere

(it is volcanos that ultimately ARE responsible for earth even having an atmosphere in the first place)

so reasonable thought says this CO2 came from something else..

and they cry things are warming faster and faster and the ice caps are melting faster and faster

yeah .. ever watch an ice cube melt
the second half melts a lot faster than the first half


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Bit of a weird segue but did you guys see this 70 Superbird they used to use to test plane emissions.  Now that is my idea of a job!

www.caranddriver.com/news/a18743612/the-1970-plymouth-superbird-that-helped-the-epa-clear-the-air-heads-to-auction/



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I've heard the story but never seen the car before .. except for a small b&w pic

 

sigh.... the dash cam came 50 years to late



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Regarding volcanoes, the amount they contribute is not significant according to Scientific American: source

According to the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS), the world’s volcanoes, both on land and undersea, generate about 200 million tons of carbon dioxide (CO2) annually, while our automotive and industrial activities cause some 24 billion tons of CO2 emissions every year worldwide. Despite the arguments to the contrary, the facts speak for themselves: Greenhouse gas emissions from volcanoes comprise less than one percent of those generated by today’s human endeavors.

 



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Unfortunately, when it comes to environmental issues, you can't simply take a single piece of information and base a decision on it.  In the case of an volcanic event, the secondary fires are usually the significant CO2 producers so the measurement of the initial release is not actually relevant.  Forest fires are one of the worst offenders since they don't burn very clean.  20 years in the business, and I can't tell you how many times I heard some clown quote the reference below, but again you can't start shooting off opinions without looking at all the angles.  The problem these days is that the media only states the piece of data that supports their cause and people are too lazy to investigate further.  Just my opinion.

 

Total emissions from global livestock: 7.1 Gigatonnes of Co2-equiv per year, representing 14.5 percent of all anthropogenic GHG emissions. This figure is in line FAO’s previous assessment, Livestock’s Long Shadow, published in 2006, although it is based on a much more detailed analysis and improved data sets. The two figures cannot be accurately compared, as reference periods and sources differ.



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my reply to the livestock thing is usually..SO, seen any buffalo round abouts lately
...no pun intended

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Good point!  I think the best example of a knee jerk reaction was the Giant Sequoias in California.  The lobbyists started a movement to "protect the trees".  Private enterprise made hundreds of millions preventing fires and it turns out that forest fires are needed for the trees to release seeds.  If the solution does not come direct from a scientist its usually just a way to make money, like wind farms.  No basis in science but huge paydays for industry.  They don't often show the strip mines needed to get the ore to build the turbines too often.  LOL



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BigOldChryslers wrote:

Regarding volcanoes, the amount they contribute is not significant according to Scientific American: source

According to the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS), the world’s volcanoes, both on land and undersea, generate about 200 million tons of carbon dioxide (CO2) annually, while our automotive and industrial activities cause some 24 billion tons of CO2 emissions every year worldwide. Despite the arguments to the contrary, the facts speak for themselves: Greenhouse gas emissions from volcanoes comprise less than one percent of those generated by today’s human endeavors.

 



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 in the first few lines they Skew their numbers towards their argument

 

volcano "annual" contributions ??

 

THAT's how the get around the argument .. "annual emissions"

 

I was not aware volcanoes erupt annually.. I believe this would be in error

 

 



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news flash the world is ending ..


in 4 billion years

prepare now !!!!!

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Yes, that can be a tricky word alright.  Friend of mines wife said she wanted to have relations annually from now on.  He misunderstood.  Now he is divorced!  LOL



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wuga wrote:

I just watched The Agenda this evening and it dealt with the Ontario Green Energy Program which Ford has partially dismantled. Win and Solar constitute about 1.5% of Ontario's energy production but cost a far greater % to rate payers for what would be considered 'the cherry on top'. There are many reasons why green energy contributes to the carbon foot print and to the increased economies of energy production. I want to see green house gases go away, but it needs to be a well thought out plan in co-operation with the communities that are being impacted by the solar and wind farms. As well, energy production should be closer, if not integrated withe the population centers that consume the energy.

Waren


  i wish i had of seen that show, i am not saying too much until i actually see that show on u-tube but the thing is something had/has to be done to rein in the mess that was created by the previous government with that program. i am no rocket scientist but i do know the basics of mathematics and when they started the program paying somewhere in the 70 to 80 cents per k for wind-solar production and selling it at 9 to 12 cents a k what the hell were they thinking and obviously they weren't. back in that day the average joe couldn't afford the price to take advantage but the big corps jumped in with their wallets open. when the gov seen the mess they had created they started ratcheting back on the price per k on new contracts but not near fast enough or deep enough. every average joe or big corp is entitled to a reasonable rate of return on investment and to spur on investment in a new venture give them a very reasonable rate of return for a period of time to cover investment but what happened was insane and unsustainable.

 i know there is a big controversy going on in the county presently with a wind turbine project and no matter how it finishes there will be hurt feelings but it maybe wouldn't of started in the first place with proper controls, ie; taking local governments out of the decision process maybe. is the present gov going to be able to fix this whole mess across the province, i doubt it, but it has to start somewhere. 



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add to that ^

a couple of years back we had the news story of the wind turbine that fell down somewhere here in ontario

.....an american owned one...


yeah ..???

why do we have american owned turbines here , generating electricity we then have to pay the americans to take

???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

yeah .. think on that flabergab and sees what you come up wit lol

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a post I made on another site

one that may help explain justin's open border crossings better - too
.........................\

if you think raising the price with a tax will reduce vehicle usage you're dreaming in technicolour sir


YOU still have to go to work in the morning

the things you buy still have to be BROUGHT TO you

these things are never going to change


the only way to reduce fossil fuel usage is to reduce the people using it

and to reduce western economies to ashes in the process

do not buy into the climate change bull flap

it is only one small tool in the kit being used by the E-U to eliminate and REPLACE western society as we know it today

that's EVERYONE , regardless of race colour or social standing


WE demand to much and cost to much ... in the eyes of the european eleates .. as always

this is why the flood of immigration into europe and canada

and no this isn't a racist rant in any way or intension
simply more of us simply really need to understand what the long game really is here

the european fascists are still with us
now they ARE the european Union.. and the ONLY democratic vote that ACTUALLY HAS LEGAL MEANING IN EUROPE ..

IS the vote of the self appointed heads of the E-U

That's why Marcon , wants an european union ARMY

do you get it ... NOW?

so they can force NATIONS to bend to THEIR rule...



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DJD wrote:
BigOldChryslers wrote:

Regarding volcanoes, the amount they contribute is not significant according to Scientific American: source

According to the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS), the world’s volcanoes, both on land and undersea, generate about 200 million tons of carbon dioxide (CO2) annually, while our automotive and industrial activities cause some 24 billion tons of CO2 emissions every year worldwide. Despite the arguments to the contrary, the facts speak for themselves: Greenhouse gas emissions from volcanoes comprise less than one percent of those generated by today’s human endeavors.

 



-- Edited by BigOldChryslers on Friday 27th of September 2019 09:51:28 AM


 in the first few lines they Skew their numbers towards their argument

 volcano "annual" contributions ??

 THAT's how the get around the argument .. "annual emissions"

 I was not aware volcanoes erupt annually.. I believe this would be in error

 


 

The annual emissions from volcanoes were on average for all volcanic activity, not necessarily the SAME volcanoes every year. Obviously some years will have more volcanic activity and some less volcanic activity; to have a meaningful statistic they have to average over a long period. The fact that the statistic is stated an average annual amount, not cumulative since some arbitrary date, is not meant to sidestep anything. This provides a clear apples-to-apples comparison versus human activity. Human CO2 emissions are typically reported as annual figures, so by presenting volcanic contribution the same, it is obvious that 200 million (200,000,000) is much less than 24 billion (24,000,000,000).

Your previous statement was that "one modest volcanic eruption" emits more CO2 than all of mankind EVER has. That is clearly false. If you really want to know how much CO2 has been released by volcanoes since the beginning of the industrial revolution (about 1760): 200 million tons * 260 years = 52 billion tons. So in all that time, volcanoes have released just a bit more CO2 than human activity in just the past 2 years, assuming SA's figures are accurate.



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lol

yeah I know full well volcano's don't erupt annually
some actually go hundreds or even thousands of years before they do
THIS is what skews the stats when they go to a humanly calculated "average amount"

some years nothing erupts..do ya think maybe that helps fudge the numbers ???

you do realize the "dark ages" were not about the lack of state , government , spirituality god law or common decency ..it REALLY WAS DARK

because of volcanic eruptions that blocked the sun for YEARS and resulted in famine , crop failure and ultimately THE PLAGUE

that sum total would be from only a few volcanoes in a short period of time

so figure that into your average and you find nature will always catch up and pass anything we ever think we've accomplished

including ruining the planet

 

so this climate "change" argument that wishes to discount the contribution of volcanic eruptions has already discounted the simple fact that volcanic eruptions have at least once in our own recent history caused the kind of change they argue we are causing .. ever so slowly by comparison..

 

why do you think that is

because they simply want your money so like justin they can buy carbon credits .. for their own stinking backsides



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and if you still need to question the volume of volcanic eruptions , averaged over time

breathe .. volcanos ARE the reason you can ...here on earth

as we would have ZERO atmosphere without them..

"put THAT in your pipe and have a hit.."

not only the gasses and particulates but the entire evolution of our atmosphere as we and as others have known it , differently and the others yet to come who also will live in an entirely different world with an entirely unique ", to them , normal
all with atmospheres unique to themselves with exception of their root source and causation .. volcanos

if you want to look at something more revilent with regards to the passage of time vs effect seen .. look to the sahara..
it used to be a rain forest with massive river networks .. .. which are now under 140-200 feet of sand... that came from , ..somewhere..

both it and some of our own glaciers have records of their parameters at say the time of the civil war in the u s
when our own emissions were arguably negligeable

glacier melt /dessert expansion rate hasn't really changed much and as I've said many times as we move closer to the final end of the ice age it will change at a faster and faster rate
..just like the last part of an ice cube melting in your glass

'cause contrary to popular belief..the ice age ain't over yet jack..

there's still some left on top and lots to go ..AND IT WELL, on the bottom....

you can pee into the wind as much as you want but it will not change a thing





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experts say...

correction , "experts" say ...

torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/williams-decades-of-idiotic-environmental-predictions

don't listen to the "experts"

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Sure, some years there are no volcanic eruptions and sometimes there are more. That is why the statistic is a long-term average value. Averaging does not skew the numbers, it corrects for year-to-year variations to eliminate any such skew. Sure you could argue that the era where they started collecting values for their averaging would have an effect on the value to introduce bias. Perhaps you could dig deeper to find out if that is the case?

Interesting point about the dark sky during the "dark ages", at least at the onset of it. I never heard that before but I did find a reference. Regardless, 1) that is not where the term originated from, and 2) unless we are experiencing that kind of volcanic activity at present, which we are not, it's a moot point.
www.techtimes.com/articles/152351/20160423/two-massive-volcanic-eruptions-may-have-led-to-dark-ages-in-europe-and-beyond.htm

With talk about the dark ages, volcanoes creating the atmosphere in the first place, rain forest in the Sahara, etc, you are throwing in everything except the kitchen sink now, but most of that is not applicable. This type of non-argument is known as "whataboutism": a logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument.

The volcano phenomena you describe happened before there was any life on earth, when there was MUCH more volcanic activity on earth. Geological and climate conditions from that many millions of years ago aren't really applicable to modern times because the earth has changed so drastically since. CO2 levels and average temp started falling fairly regularly at the beginning of the Cretacious period (145 million years ago) and basically leveled-off at close to a steady state at the beginning of the Pleistocene period (2.5 million years ago). If you want to argue that volcanoes have a more significant effect on CO2 than the research that I pointed to, you should look up volcanic activity in those epochs versus modern times.

This is off-topic since we're talking about volcanoes specifically, but the Sahara was tropical somewhere between 6,000-10,000 years ago, and before that it was a desert again. This is a repeating cycle caused by changes in the tilt of the earth's axis which changes the amount of sunlight that part of the world receives. This is also related to ice age periods. There are of course other things that influence global temperature. See the Little Ice Age and the Marunder Minimum for examples.

I'm not going to try to defend all of climate science in this thread, just that your initial point about volcanoes was incorrect.

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Again, I have to caution, taking information from any form of the media is literally "drinking the cool aid".  The environment is a business just like any other where there are "true" facts that are rarely shared and popular facts which are rarely mentioned because they don't fit with the profit/tax structure.  Truth is, the only thing initiative that would have a significant impact is to substantially reduce the human population.  Unfortunately, that reduces tax revenues and much needed expansion so its rarely explored.  This is my conclusion after being in the business for 20 years, take it for what its worth.



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shag766 wrote:

-we haven't heard much on this front lately either.   i know caterpillar got out of the truck motor production awhile back which was big news at the time.
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September 19, 2019
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Technology
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Cummins

CumminsVANCOUVER, B.C. – Engine giant Cummins Inc. is buying a stake in hydrogen fuel cell maker Loop Energy, the two companies announced.

Financial details were not revealed.

The move comes just days after Cummins completed the acquisition of hydrogen production technologies provider Hydrogenics Corp. of Mississauga, Ont.

“Cummins is investing in a broad portfolio of power solutions, including advancements in hydrogen fuel cell technologies and the electrification of commercial applications,” said Thad Ewald, vice-president of corporate strategy at Cummins.

“This investment is continued evidence of our commitment to next-generation trucking technologies, and we look forward to working with Loop Energy to further validate the provision of zero-emissions fuel cell range extenders for customers.”

LoopAs part of the deal, Loop Energy will also supply Cummins with range extender systems for incorporation into demonstration trucks, the company said.

“Cummins investment in Loop Energy affirms the positioning of our company and technologies to meet the demand for a cost-effective alternative to the internal combustion engine in commercial trucking,” said Ben Nyland, president and CEO of Loop Energy.

“This new investment by Cummins is solid evidence of the traction we are gaining in the market through investments, customer orders, and vehicle demonstration programs.”

Loop Energy is a provider of zero-emission power systems for heavy-duty transportation applications.

Cummins manufactures a broad portfolio of power solutions. Its products range from diesel and natural gas engines to hybrid and electric platforms.


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A Big Deal: Cummins and Hyundai

October 2, 2019 Vol. 16 No. 20

Hyundai and Cummins have announced that they’ve entered into a memorandum of understanding (MOU) to “jointly evaluate opportunities” regarding the development and commercialization of fuel cell electric powertrains. This is a big deal, and a big boost to the fuel cell electric idea.ers.



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shag766 wrote:
shag766 wrote:

-we haven't heard much on this front lately either.   i know caterpillar got out of the truck motor production awhile back which was big news at the time.
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September 19, 2019
by Truck News
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Technology
Transportation

Companies

Cummins

CumminsVANCOUVER, B.C. – Engine giant Cummins Inc. is buying a stake in hydrogen fuel cell maker Loop Energy, the two companies announced.

Financial details were not revealed.

The move comes just days after Cummins completed the acquisition of hydrogen production technologies provider Hydrogenics Corp. of Mississauga, Ont.

“Cummins is investing in a broad portfolio of power solutions, including advancements in hydrogen fuel cell technologies and the electrification of commercial applications,” said Thad Ewald, vice-president of corporate strategy at Cummins.

“This investment is continued evidence of our commitment to next-generation trucking technologies, and we look forward to working with Loop Energy to further validate the provision of zero-emissions fuel cell range extenders for customers.”

LoopAs part of the deal, Loop Energy will also supply Cummins with range extender systems for incorporation into demonstration trucks, the company said.

“Cummins investment in Loop Energy affirms the positioning of our company and technologies to meet the demand for a cost-effective alternative to the internal combustion engine in commercial trucking,” said Ben Nyland, president and CEO of Loop Energy.

“This new investment by Cummins is solid evidence of the traction we are gaining in the market through investments, customer orders, and vehicle demonstration programs.”

Loop Energy is a provider of zero-emission power systems for heavy-duty transportation applications.

Cummins manufactures a broad portfolio of power solutions. Its products range from diesel and natural gas engines to hybrid and electric platforms.


-another

  
 
  
A Big Deal: Cummins and Hyundai

October 2, 2019 Vol. 16 No. 20

Hyundai and Cummins have announced that they’ve entered into a memorandum of understanding (MOU) to “jointly evaluate opportunities” regarding the development and commercialization of fuel cell electric powertrains. This is a big deal, and a big boost to the fuel cell electric idea.ers.


 - etc

 

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Dana to drive Canadian hydrogen fuel cell project

Posted: August 1, 2019 by Jim Park

Dana eS6200r e Drive Axle

The trucks in the test will be powered by Dana’s eS6200r e-Drive Axle with the SUMO HP motor and inverter. Dana did not elaborate on the motor’s ratings except to say it would be roughly equal to the 500- to 550-hp diesel powertrains currently used in that application.

EDMONTON, Alta. — When fuel cells are put to the test in a pair of 140,000-lb. B-trains as part of the Alberta Zero-Emissions Truck Electrification Collaboration (AZETEC) project, the motion will come through Dana’s Spicer Electrified e-Propulsion systems with TM4 SUMO HP motor-inverters.



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shag766 wrote:
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-we haven't heard much on this front lately either.   i know caterpillar got out of the truck motor production awhile back which was big news at the time.
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CumminsVANCOUVER, B.C. – Engine giant Cummins Inc. is buying a stake in hydrogen fuel cell maker Loop Energy, the two companies announced.

Financial details were not revealed.

The move comes just days after Cummins completed the acquisition of hydrogen production technologies provider Hydrogenics Corp. of Mississauga, Ont.

“Cummins is investing in a broad portfolio of power solutions, including advancements in hydrogen fuel cell technologies and the electrification of commercial applications,” said Thad Ewald, vice-president of corporate strategy at Cummins.

“This investment is continued evidence of our commitment to next-generation trucking technologies, and we look forward to working with Loop Energy to further validate the provision of zero-emissions fuel cell range extenders for customers.”

LoopAs part of the deal, Loop Energy will also supply Cummins with range extender systems for incorporation into demonstration trucks, the company said.

“Cummins investment in Loop Energy affirms the positioning of our company and technologies to meet the demand for a cost-effective alternative to the internal combustion engine in commercial trucking,” said Ben Nyland, president and CEO of Loop Energy.

“This new investment by Cummins is solid evidence of the traction we are gaining in the market through investments, customer orders, and vehicle demonstration programs.”

Loop Energy is a provider of zero-emission power systems for heavy-duty transportation applications.

Cummins manufactures a broad portfolio of power solutions. Its products range from diesel and natural gas engines to hybrid and electric platforms.


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A Big Deal: Cummins and Hyundai

October 2, 2019 Vol. 16 No. 20

Hyundai and Cummins have announced that they’ve entered into a memorandum of understanding (MOU) to “jointly evaluate opportunities” regarding the development and commercialization of fuel cell electric powertrains. This is a big deal, and a big boost to the fuel cell electric idea.ers.


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Dana to drive Canadian hydrogen fuel cell project

Posted: August 1, 2019 by Jim Park

Dana eS6200r e Drive Axle

The trucks in the test will be powered by Dana’s eS6200r e-Drive Axle with the SUMO HP motor and inverter. Dana did not elaborate on the motor’s ratings except to say it would be roughly equal to the 500- to 550-hp diesel powertrains currently used in that application.

EDMONTON, Alta. — When fuel cells are put to the test in a pair of 140,000-lb. B-trains as part of the Alberta Zero-Emissions Truck Electrification Collaboration (AZETEC) project, the motion will come through Dana’s Spicer Electrified e-Propulsion systems with TM4 SUMO HP motor-inverters.


 -etc

 

Cummins Takes on Hydrogen

July 10, 2019 Vol. 16 No. 14

Cummins is expanding its ability to provide the transportation market with motive power in a variety of non-diesel applications. Having already developed a plug-in electric truck and purchased a battery-maker, among others, it’s now joined the hydrogen fuel-cell fray. The Indiana company has just entered into a definitive agreement to acquire all the outstanding shares of Canadian fuel-cell systems provider Hydrogenics Corporation. That amounts to about 80% of the company, the rest already owned by The Hydrogen Company, a subsidiary of L’Air Liquide SA. The latter will maintain its holding.

Subject to Canadian regulatory approval, the deal is expected to close in the third quarter of this year.

 



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shag766 wrote:
shag766 wrote:
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-we haven't heard much on this front lately either.   i know caterpillar got out of the truck motor production awhile back which was big news at the time.
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September 19, 2019
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Cummins

CumminsVANCOUVER, B.C. – Engine giant Cummins Inc. is buying a stake in hydrogen fuel cell maker Loop Energy, the two companies announced.

Financial details were not revealed.

The move comes just days after Cummins completed the acquisition of hydrogen production technologies provider Hydrogenics Corp. of Mississauga, Ont.

“Cummins is investing in a broad portfolio of power solutions, including advancements in hydrogen fuel cell technologies and the electrification of commercial applications,” said Thad Ewald, vice-president of corporate strategy at Cummins.

“This investment is continued evidence of our commitment to next-generation trucking technologies, and we look forward to working with Loop Energy to further validate the provision of zero-emissions fuel cell range extenders for customers.”

LoopAs part of the deal, Loop Energy will also supply Cummins with range extender systems for incorporation into demonstration trucks, the company said.

“Cummins investment in Loop Energy affirms the positioning of our company and technologies to meet the demand for a cost-effective alternative to the internal combustion engine in commercial trucking,” said Ben Nyland, president and CEO of Loop Energy.

“This new investment by Cummins is solid evidence of the traction we are gaining in the market through investments, customer orders, and vehicle demonstration programs.”

Loop Energy is a provider of zero-emission power systems for heavy-duty transportation applications.

Cummins manufactures a broad portfolio of power solutions. Its products range from diesel and natural gas engines to hybrid and electric platforms.


-another

  
 
  
A Big Deal: Cummins and Hyundai

October 2, 2019 Vol. 16 No. 20

Hyundai and Cummins have announced that they’ve entered into a memorandum of understanding (MOU) to “jointly evaluate opportunities” regarding the development and commercialization of fuel cell electric powertrains. This is a big deal, and a big boost to the fuel cell electric idea.ers.


 - etc

 

-

Dana to drive Canadian hydrogen fuel cell project

Posted: August 1, 2019 by Jim Park

Dana eS6200r e Drive Axle

The trucks in the test will be powered by Dana’s eS6200r e-Drive Axle with the SUMO HP motor and inverter. Dana did not elaborate on the motor’s ratings except to say it would be roughly equal to the 500- to 550-hp diesel powertrains currently used in that application.

EDMONTON, Alta. — When fuel cells are put to the test in a pair of 140,000-lb. B-trains as part of the Alberta Zero-Emissions Truck Electrification Collaboration (AZETEC) project, the motion will come through Dana’s Spicer Electrified e-Propulsion systems with TM4 SUMO HP motor-inverters.


 -etc

 

Cummins Takes on Hydrogen

July 10, 2019 Vol. 16 No. 14

Cummins is expanding its ability to provide the transportation market with motive power in a variety of non-diesel applications. Having already developed a plug-in electric truck and purchased a battery-maker, among others, it’s now joined the hydrogen fuel-cell fray. The Indiana company has just entered into a definitive agreement to acquire all the outstanding shares of Canadian fuel-cell systems provider Hydrogenics Corporation. That amounts to about 80% of the company, the rest already owned by The Hydrogen Company, a subsidiary of L’Air Liquide SA. The latter will maintain its holding.

Subject to Canadian regulatory approval, the deal is expected to close in the third quarter of this year.

 


guy's, the only reason i am putting this out there is that these are really big names, cummins and dana, in the heavy truck/industrial market and hyundai is no light weight either. the theory and the tech for hydrogen has been around a longtime. ballard power systems in burnaby b.c. started in 1979 working on better lithium battery's and switched to fuel cell tech in 1989, and if some of the big names are putting a lot of money into it there has to be a reason to think. the big thing with electric for the heavy trucks is the weight and distances.  

 

lol  the winner of this race and, for whatever reason there is a race, will change history. if the battery wins the race especially with the weight issue the cars should have something the size of 4 todays car battery's in them if it goes to scale pertaining to the weights.     flip a coin    lmao   



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Thanks Shag, interesting stuff I wouldn't normally know about. Ed

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packard studebaker and hudson were just as big a name in their day...

electric construction equipment will be awesome on construction sites where there's no electric power to charge them

the electric car will always be a flop until someone gets smart and invents the universal electric car battery .. all the same .. interchangeable
swapped in four minutes...
no more trouble than stuffing a cd into the player in your dash or the clip in your rifle

FORGET charging just swap in a charged battery and be on your way .. in less than half the time it takes to pump a tank of fuel 

THAT's when the electric car will BEGIN to rule

...and I should call my friend who works at the patent office RIGHT NOW shouldn't I ...



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October 30, 2019 Vol. 16 No. 22

Yes, Hyundai. The very large South Korean outfit is well known in North America for its cars, but elsewhere the Hyundai Motor Company (HMC) is actually a big-time supplier of commercial vehicles as well. It manufacturers Class 2-8 trucks and buses at three international plants, with units currently sold in 130 countries around the world. What may be even less well known is that HMC is one of the two or three world leaders in the development of fuel cell electric vehicles

Hyundai chose the North American Commercial Vehicle (NACV) Show in Atlanta to reveal its dramatic concept vehicle, the HDC-6 NEPTUNE Class 8 heavy duty truck. It clearly draws design cues from the streamliner railway trains of the 1930s with its Art Deco style. Hyundai says it will feature a unique construction and advanced in-cab technology. The interior indeed looks very new and adventuresome.

This truck will be added to a portfolio that includes the Xcient truck, not a concept vehicle but not yet in production, that also runs on fuel cell.

Hydrogen.jpg

apparently peterbilt made something similar for walmart to test and the fuel mileage savings were large. walmart is now going to tesla for an electric powertrain for testing with the same design.

this is the pete truck

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the times are a changing guys

 

 



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ya know..
I've been seeing prototype trucks that all look much like these for almost 50 years
yeah , since science international , the tv show was on global I think back around '75 or 6...
with joseph campanella..

and here now , 50 year later trucks still look pretty much the same as in the 50's..

and bundles of new technology in the cab... just what the independent truckers need ... you know , after warranty

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you KNOW what self driving cars is actually going to get us right?

a new very real and dangerous version of "cow tipping"

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ya know..
I've been seeing prototype trucks that all look much like these for almost 50 years
yeah , since science international , the tv show was on global I think back around '75 or 6...
with joseph campanella..

and here now , 50 year later trucks still look pretty much the same as in the 50's..

and bundles of new technology in the cab... just what the independent truckers need ... you know , after warranty


 ya me too, maybe not for quite 50 years but a long time for sure. lol  thinking this must be the time for it, finally, and now what?   lmao



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Climate change huh?......

I live at the bottom of the Niagara Escarpment on an old lake bed that gradually lowers in elevation to the current Lake Ontario bed.
If I take a walk "up the hill" as we call it here, scattered between Jordan and Beamsville are a number of old quarries.
Taking my pick-hammer I can remove a piece of limestone and examination by naked eye can often show fossils. These fossils are " Tropical plant matter".

Tropical

We live in a Carolinian geological area today.
These Tropical fossils were exposed by a sheet of ice about a half mile thick which has since receded.

Tropical

Glacial

Carolinian

It's a cycle that will continue to happen NATURALLY until earth eradicates the virus known as man.

That's not weird as it sounds, it's just nature at work.

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Closer to home, if they apply road taxes to electrical vehicles at the same rate they tax other fuels, the economical angle goes out the window.  The good news is that the initiative will keep the economy rolling for a while.  That's really whats important right?  



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Livetodrive wrote:

Closer to home, if they apply road taxes to electrical vehicles at the same rate they tax other fuels, the economical angle goes out the window.  The good news is that the initiative will keep the economy rolling for a while.  That's really whats important right?  


        e.g.  2.91 million residents in Toronto .    1400 charging stations in Ontario .  



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I was watching somethin-somethin on the topic of switching EVERYONE to electric cars by some fantisy deadline

simple fact is ... it cannot be done

they simply don't build enough electric cars to actually do it

and there isn't actually the time to accomplish the task either as we would have to buy something like ten times the total production per year to even try

so BUZZER.. it AIN'T happnin no matter how loud christina says it will..

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Once a leader in electric cars, BMW now says it expects 85 percent of its cars still to have internal combustion engines by 2030.

Speaking to Australian reporters for GoAuto at the Paris auto show earlier in October, BMW board member for development Klaus Froehlich said, “A very optimistic scenario says 30 per cent of BMWs will be pure electric or plug-in hybrids and 70 per cent will be combustion. If you assume that, from this 30 percent, half of them are plug-in hybrids – I have 85 percent in my portfolio in 2030 with a combustion engine."

 

Several of the world's largest automakers, including Volkswagen, Daimler, Hyundai, and GM are making huge investments in electric cars, as BMW also has in the past. Some smaller automakers such as Volvo and Jaguar Land Rover have also committed to putting electric power in every model they build.



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